My first crisis, not sure what to do..

[oteymut]

I have only had one plant wilt alittlebit once from drying out though, is it a good thing to go that far?

They bounce right back if it's just a little drooping, but no, generally it's not a good thing to go that far except to get a reference for the weight of the pot/bag when it is that far.

Overwatering is probably the #1 mistake of new growers. We've all done it. I like hempy buckets because they're impossible to overwater. May want to try a few hempys on your next run.

 

[polishpollack]

liveleap you should discuss how much fert you use. I suspect perhaps a transplant is in order, what soil are you using? the leaves look pale green which right now makes me wonder if you don't give enough fert.

 

[Cannacat]

Just to say, I never went above 3ml a litre with the Canna A&B and never saw any sign they were hungry so don't overdo it but you should really be feeding them when they're making buds, they need the energy. Also, one of my cheese plant had brown pistils on the buds from about 3 weeks into flower, some plants just do I was told, don't worry about it, ignore the pistils and focus on your trichs when the time comes

 

[liveleap]

They bounce right back if it's just a little drooping, but no, generally it's not a good thing to go that far except to get a reference for the weight of the pot/bag when it is that far.

Overwatering is probably the #1 mistake of new growers. We've all done it. I like hempy buckets because they're impossible to overwater. May want to try a few hempys on your next run.

Then atleast i thought i watered them at the right time.. Im going to water them when they start wilting this time and water in a different manner to see if that fixes it. Its just the two large kings kushs that are crispy, droopy and have a dull grayish color.
Haha, about overwatering beeing a common newbmistake, i know first hand about that. First thing i did when they were seedlings was to overwater the crap out of them stunted the growth and almost killed them instantly so ive been trying to not overdo the watering. I added small amounts of water every day in fear of drying them out when i went to work. Big mistake..

liveleap you should discuss how much fert you use. I suspect perhaps a transplant is in order, what soil are you using? the leaves look pale green which right now makes me wonder if you don't give enough fert.

I started at half dose, (25ml/10l), and moved up to 35 where i figured ill stop since another canna-user wrote he use half dose all through flowering with. The thing that makes me unsure is my use of the boost, dont know if i need more ferts using that.
Btw, i gave small doses of veg nutes aswell during stretch but still got yellowing leafs down on the lower part of the plants. That is normal even if they had access to nitrogen, right?

I must however say that the leaf look lighter green in color when snapping a picture and since my problem stopped when flushing i believe they do have access to nutes and this whole thing was a lockout.
Lets see when its lights on again in 8hrs..

 

[polishpollack]

I wonder if your use of the boost was the problem. if you're using good ferts, you really shouldn't need anything else. you can't be sure the boost isn't made just to get your money.

 

[liveleap]

I wonder if your use of the boost was the problem. if you're using good ferts, you really shouldn't need anything else. you can't be sure the boost isn't made just to get your money.

I dont think so, alot of people swear by it. Personally i have no idea, as i said, its my first grow so i just made some reseaerch into cannas nutes and went with them. What i do know is that ive seen the buds swell the day after ive fed them the stuff but that might be normal i guess.

Anyways, i think you are right about the plants beeing abit too light in color, dont know if its because of my P def or if im deficient in N aswell. I compared them with my healthiest plant, granted its a kush and abit darker generally, but still looks abit light in color. Should i give them some N with the bloomnutes this round or should a normal bloomfeeding be enough? The soil is drying up so i think its time to water the two Ice-plants tonight.

Edit: Ive had cal def before, maybe i need more mag aswell?

 

[polishpollack]

it's possible to poison plants with too much phosphorus like a bud booster. try a method that doesn't have much guesswork, like just soil that has fert in it already, and don't add anything unless you're certain you need to. it's really difficult to know what your problem is or how to fix it.

 

[liveleap]

it's possible to poison plants with too much phosphorus like a bud booster. try a method that doesn't have much guesswork, like just soil that has fert in it already, and don't add anything unless you're certain you need to. it's really difficult to know what your problem is or how to fix it.

Since i got no burnt tips or anything like that indicating toxicity i find it hard believing it would be overfeeding.
The boost actually contains no nutes, its an additive with stuff in it speeding up metabolism. I think you are thinking of bud hardeners, like PK 13/14, which i also have but havent used yet.

I suspect my light feeding coupled with the boost made them eat more than i put in but i cant get it to make sense that it stopped when i flushed. Been many days now and they look the same as they did just after the flush. So even more plausible is lockout due to bad watering and my uncalibrated PH-meter.
Its all theories though, i could be missing something..

Im going to give them a feed with alittle bit of N added aswell as a sturdy dose of calmag along with the boost and humic acid, might even spike with the pk 13/14. If anyone thinks this is madness, please stop me! It wont go down until about 10hrs.

 

[bobtokes]

if your going to give um calmag ph your feed at 6.8, and i would only give them a 1/2 dose of 13/14

 

[Cannacat]

Since i got no burnt tips or anything like that indicating toxicity i find it hard believing it would be overfeeding.
The boost actually contains no nutes, its an additive with stuff in it speeding up metabolism. I think you are thinking of bud hardeners, like PK 13/14, which i also have but havent used yet.

I suspect my light feeding coupled with the boost made them eat more than i put in but i cant get it to make sense that it stopped when i flushed. Been many days now and they look the same as they did just after the flush. So even more plausible is lockout due to bad watering and my uncalibrated PH-meter.
Its all theories though, i could be missing something..

Im going to give them a feed with alittle bit of N added aswell as a sturdy dose of calmag along with the boost and humic acid, might even spike with the pk 13/14. If anyone thinks this is madness, please stop me! It wont go down until about 10hrs.

Don't add too much at once when they're only used to light feeding, in my opinion. Don't want to push them too hard, I'd skip the PK and go careful

 

[liveleap]

if your going to give um calmag ph your feed at 6.8, and i would only give them a 1/2 dose of 13/14

Alrite, ill go for 6.8, usually go for 6.2 but im guessing cal and mag get picked up at abit higher ph. Yea, if i spike ill go for half a dose or less, that stuff is strong and has burnt many plants..

Don't add too much at once when they're only used to light feeding, in my opinion. Don't want to push them too hard, I'd skip the PK and go careful

Thing is that timewise im supposed to go for a spike soon, but i think you might be right. Better safe than sorry. Ill probably end up using a third dose pk or something like that.

I wonder if i should add a lil bit of N, they are at day 29 of flower so its not for stretch or anything, just want to green them up abit and just hoping that together with some mag itll work out. Is it a good idea, or skip the N altogether? Theres already a little bit in the bloomnutes and a tiny bit in my calmag (magne-cal+).

 

[Cannacat]

Alrite, ill go for 6.8, usually go for 6.2 but im guessing cal and mag get picked up at abit higher ph. Yea, if i spike ill go for half a dose or less, that stuff is strong and has burnt many plants..


Thing is that timewise im supposed to go for a spike soon, but i think you might be right. Better safe than sorry. Ill probably end up using a third dose pk or something like that.

I wonder if i should add a lil bit of N, they are at day 29 of flower so its not for stretch or anything, just want to green them up abit and just hoping that together with some mag itll work out. Is it a good idea, or skip the N altogether? Theres already a little bit in the bloomnutes and a tiny bit in my calmag (magne-cal+).

Your bloom nutes should have plenty of N, usually they only have a bit less or the same amount as grow nutes but with a higher %PK, although someone else might be better off answering that one. I'm not saying don't use the PK boost, just maybe not a full dose of everything all at once cos it seems like your plants are used to being fed really lightly, so just be gentle when increasing.

 

[bobtokes]

sounds like your getting your head round it, i always let my ph fluctuate between 5.8 6.8 but i grow in coco

 

[polishpollack]

this is a good example of the difficulties a lot of people have. they get started down the wrong path and can't fix and then come to a board and the guessing game begins. The truth is no one knows exactly what you did wrong or how to fix it. One thing is certain: the more people get involved in the grow with feedings and flushing, the worse things get. We never see people come to these forums and say "hey look here, I've got a successful grow and this is how I did it." Nope, people don't talk that way here.

 

[liveleap]

Indeed, alot of threads out there about problems like this but i find it very logical tbh. Most of us dont have anyone IRL to bounce ideas with or who has experience to give pointers. In my case im all alone with my grow, hell if i get caught ill get jailtime, therefore asking for help on forums is the only way to learn. And when thinking about this thread ive learnt ALOT.. I came here not even able to identify the def/tox on my leafs and i now have a pretty good idea. Not that i didnt try to resolve it myself but after a few hrs of searching around i was even more confused. And that was thanks to all of the unfinished threads out there where someone shows a problem, the guessing game starts and then the thread die and is forever out there to confuse us new growers.
I sure would love if people actually could care enough to make a proper closure of the topics. Not that its easy to be certain of the cause even if the problem gets eliminated but updating what is beeing done on the way and the results of the actions is what i expect someone to put out there, especially if people volounteered their time to help out.
Im not sure im following you about the more people involved, the worse it gets. I guess it has to do with how you handle the info you are given. Never follow someones advice like its the law, more acknowledge that the person has experience and some substance behind their advice and then try to incorporate it into your picture of what is going on. There is no one way or one solution

 

[Cannacat]

Indeed, alot of threads out there about problems like this but i find it very logical tbh. Most of us dont have anyone IRL to bounce ideas with or who has experience to give pointers. In my case im all alone with my grow, hell if i get caught ill get jailtime, therefore asking for help on forums is the only way to learn. And when thinking about this thread ive learnt ALOT.. I came here not even able to identify the def/tox on my leafs and i now have a pretty good idea. Not that i didnt try to resolve it myself but after a few hrs of searching around i was even more confused. And that was thanks to all of the unfinished threads out there where someone shows a problem, the guessing game starts and then the thread die and is forever out there to confuse us new growers.
I sure would love if people actually could care enough to make a proper closure of the topics. Not that its easy to be certain of the cause even if the problem gets eliminated but updating what is beeing done on the way and the results of the actions is what i expect someone to put out there, especially if people volounteered their time to help out.
Im not sure im following you about the more people involved, the worse it gets. I guess it has to do with how you handle the info you are given. Never follow someones advice like its the law, more acknowledge that the person has experience and some substance behind their advice and then try to incorporate it into your picture of what is going on. There is no one way or one solution

Nicely put. In my opinion, the guessing game begins when you spot something you can't identify in your plants. When you make a thread asking for help, you stop being the only person in the guessing game and we all try to figure it out together. As long as you're not blindly following anybody's advice and do your research then it's all to the good to have a few people chiming in rather than trying to solve it all by yourself, surely?

 

[polishpollack]

No, not correct. The more people get involved in these forums, the more there is guessing of... maybe the solution is A, maybe it's B, maybe it's C. This is what happens the most in these online forums. This is what I meant when I wrote that the more people get involved the worse it gets, because it's just turns into a guessing game and no one knows what is wrong or the solution. This is why in many posts in the past I have advocated the use of nature's methods of growing, meaning the use of fertilizer that has the bacteria and fungi in it as nature does outdoors. Using different ferts than these is probably problem number one for most people because they misuse those ferts and can do so quite easily. People say "it's a bud booster" and they dump it in thinking "I'm going to get boosted buds," not realizing that they just poisoned their plants. (It is possible to poison with high phosphorus or other materials). Having more people chime in is worthless if the info is wrong. You just end up leading the grower down the wrong path. It's not about having people care enough to provide a solution and provide closure. Your plants requires accuracy, not a shoulder to cry on.
The fertilizer I'm referring to are the brands Dr. Earth, Whitney Farms, etc. where if you read the contents, you'll see they have bacteria and fungi in them. The only issue with using these ferts is they take longer as the materials need time to break down, and indoor grows tend to be slow anyway, which just compounds the problem. Another solution is just to use Foxfarm's soil and do nothing else except add water and see how things go. Don't add anything unless you're certain you need to. A guy calling himself subcool developed has own soil, one for small plants, one for larger plants (which presumably is hotter stuff).

 

[liveleap]

No, not correct. The more people get involved in these forums, the more there is guessing of... maybe the solution is A, maybe it's B, maybe it's C. This is what happens the most in these online forums. This is what I meant when I wrote that the more people get involved the worse it gets, because it's just turns into a guessing game and no one knows what is wrong or the solution. This is why in many posts in the past I have advocated the use of nature's methods of growing, meaning the use of fertilizer that has the bacteria and fungi in it as nature does outdoors. Using different ferts than these is probably problem number one for most people because they misuse those ferts and can do so quite easily. People say "it's a bud booster" and they dump it in thinking "I'm going to get boosted buds," not realizing that they just poisoned their plants. (It is possible to poison with high phosphorus or other materials). Having more people chime in is worthless if the info is wrong. You just end up leading the grower down the wrong path. It's not about having people care enough to provide a solution and provide closure. Your plants requires accuracy, not a shoulder to cry on.
The fertilizer I'm referring to are the brands Dr. Earth, Whitney Farms, etc. where if you read the contents, you'll see they have bacteria and fungi in them. The only issue with using these ferts is they take longer as the materials need time to break down, and indoor grows tend to be slow anyway, which just compounds the problem. Another solution is just to use Foxfarm's soil and do nothing else except add water and see how things go. Don't add anything unless you're certain you need to. A guy calling himself subcool developed has own soil, one for small plants, one for larger plants (which presumably is hotter stuff).

And how would one get that accuracy you are talking about?
This format of guessing with limited info might not be the best, but its the best i can get and i have learnt from it. If you are so opposed to this format, why do you sit and guess in threads at a Plant Problem-forum? You are beeing part of what you see as a problem, it doesnt really make sense.
You have a good point about the soil and microorganisms and that is something ive learnt about after i started growing. Next round is starting up in a week or two and im going for coco and adding realgrowers recharge to get a healthy bacteria and myco fauna. They buffer the nutes and give it to the plant as needed even when using saltbased nutes and everyone seem to love the product. Hopefully it gives me more room for newbfkups and the coco wont compact like my soil always do.

This is my first grow ever and ive tried out alot and got a feel for it so even if i loose the kings kushes ill consider it a learning run and just extract the few cannabinoids from their corpses. About the sick plants, they dried up and ive fed them again. They still droop some but they got a better texture atleast. I dont think theyll make it, they really look like shit and the buds actually smell like dogshit. No kidding, not trying to be funny, they really do smell like dogcrap.
The white widow looks like shit aswell, i think that one got nuteburned or got something else going on, like another lockout, because the browning and dying off is mainly on the top leafs. Ill get some pics when its lights on later just as a follow up.

Edit: btw, about: "It's not about having people care enough to provide a solution and provide closure.". I didnt mean what i think you think, the closure and care is about all the threads out there with similar problems where the threadstarter wont come back and tell what *he did and what the result was. Would be extremely valuable if people did this, but they just disband the thread usually before anyone knows what happened.

 

[polishpollack]

I'm not guessing.
One gets accuracy by learning.

 

[Cannacat]

Your plants requires accuracy, not a shoulder to cry on.

Best line I ever read on RIU!