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Forsure

Forsure

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wsntme said:
HA, real question would be why don't i have a humidifier, my understanding is the plants would actually like it a little more humid. My climate is very dry, like 10RH is what I'm used to.
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You could use a misting fan to get it a little more humid if you wanted.
 
wsntme

wsntme

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Chuggin' along! All looks good thus far. Bud site are starting to develop nicely.

I'm debating adding a second screen and using it to further train the canopy to a more even layout. My idea is to just lean each tall stalk to the side a bit until it's near the height of the shortest. I could do it in a cross-hatched or back-n-forth pattern so no one area gets crowded.... worth the time/effort or just let 'em be? OCD has me wanting them even, Laziness says leave 'em.

currently at 20 days since the flip.
 

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calliandra

calliandra

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wsntme said:
Chuggin' along! All looks good thus far. Bud site are starting to develop nicely.

I'm debating adding a second screen and using it to further train the canopy to a more even layout. My idea is to just lean each tall stalk to the side a bit until it's near the height of the shortest. I could do it in a cross-hatched or back-n-forth pattern so no one area gets crowded.... worth the time/effort or just let 'em be? OCD has me wanting them even, Laziness says leave 'em.

currently at 20 days since the flip.
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well yeah you could tie them down to the screen you already have too. Like theres this empty looking spot on the left, and taller stalks to the right of it, you could train those over and then continue behind that. My hunch is they're going to slow down now too...
but then again, I have no experience with a second screen nor did I ever have the feeling I'd need one ;)
Just my 2c :bigjoint:
 
MeGaKiLlErMaN

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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MyLittleGrundle said:
I've been considering trying them out for a while. Like all pre-made lighting they get a bad rap, but I still think they are one of the better companies out there. Was looking to do 3 of the 200's for a 4x2 grow. Thanks for your input.

Grundle
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Just stopping by for the photos, black dog is not a good light. nothing with 5W diodes really is as of yet, check out cob based ones like Pacific light concepts, Timber LED, and Cobkits. when you compare PAR outputs/Results to the high-end HPS they speak for themselves.
 
NaturalFarmer

NaturalFarmer

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MeGaKiLlErMaN said:
Just stopping by for the photos, black dog is not a good light. nothing with 5W diodes really is as of yet, check out cob based ones like Pacific light concepts, Timber LED, and Cobkits. when you compare PAR outputs/Results to the high-end HPS they speak for themselves.
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The 5w XP-G3 and 3w XP-E are the most efficient LEDs that Cree makes....Which is why Cree says to use both in order to replace a 1000w HPS. You can follow my grow however and see for yourself. Blackdog may produce more heat than COBs but when running CO2 that isnt always bad.
http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED-Components-and-Modules/XLamp/XLamp-Reference-Designs/HorticultureReferenceDesign.pdf
 
MeGaKiLlErMaN

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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NaturalFarmer said:
The 5w XP-G3 and 3w XP-E are the most efficient LEDs that Cree makes....Which is why Cree says to use both in order to replace a 1000w HPS. You can follow my grow however and see for yourself. Blackdog may produce more heat than COBs but when running CO2 that isnt always bad.
http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED-Components-and-Modules/XLamp/XLamp-Reference-Designs/HorticultureReferenceDesign.pdf
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Yes but that assumes you run them at the ranges that they test at, the benefit to cobs is running them cooler and hitting around 60-70% efficient.. Which has yet to be beat. Im not a cree guy more into citizens.

Reference design: PPF/W 1.82
Cobs: PPF/W 2.42 at 61% Efficient
 
TL4

TL4

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Hey guys first time scrogger with a couple questions. these pics are from last Thursday which would have been 14 days into flower. i tucked and trained the plants as best as i could until then. first off is my scrog net too full? can it be too full? how much defoliation should i do if there is a lot of bud sites covered by leaves? ive tried tucking leaves out of the way but they don't stay. In the back of my scrog i have left some of the plants untucked to grow up the wall. Is this a bad practice? this scrog is a 5x9 hydro grow 20 critical kush and 4 blue dream



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calliandra

calliandra

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TL4 said:
Hey guys first time scrogger with a couple questions. these pics are from last Thursday which would have been 14 days into flower. i tucked and trained the plants as best as i could until then. first off is my scrog net too full? can it be too full? how much defoliation should i do if there is a lot of bud sites covered by leaves? ive tried tucking leaves out of the way but they don't stay. In the back of my scrog i have left some of the plants untucked to grow up the wall. Is this a bad practice? this scrog is a 5x9 hydro grow 20 critical kush and 4 blue dream



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Yeah, looks to me like your net is too wide-spaced for proper training.
So basically what you have is the branches spread out a bit.
Yeah with HPS, you might want to defoliate a bit, though on the other hand the leaves help keep the tops apart too.
Way they look now I'd let em go and see how they do in the next few days. You want to keep those solar panels on as long as possible so they can produce food for fat buds :bigjoint:
IMO the best time to start is midbloom, when the plant itself starts showing very first signs of senescence. So you're going with the plant's own rhythm, less distress. Then start removing strategic fans, singly at first...
Oh and anything under the net, you can forget, in case you haven't removed em yet
haha! :razz:
 
ThegrowerMOJO

ThegrowerMOJO

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TL4 said:
Hey guys first time scrogger with a couple questions. these pics are from last Thursday which would have been 14 days into flower. i tucked and trained the plants as best as i could until then. first off is my scrog net too full? can it be too full? how much defoliation should i do if there is a lot of bud sites covered by leaves? ive tried tucking leaves out of the way but they don't stay. In the back of my scrog i have left some of the plants untucked to grow up the wall. Is this a bad practice? this scrog is a 5x9 hydro grow 20 critical kush and 4 blue dream



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Not bad for a first go at it.I kinda disagree Calliandra as i would go ahead and start removing fan leaves now and for sure clean up the basement side. You have a lot of plants in that space and prolly could have got by with about half that.As for your question about letting the back grow taller ,there is no problem with that some call it a stadium scrog.the only problem will be they will want to flop down on the main screen so either install a trellis on wall or yo-yo them up.And i would be real careful about mold and rot in the end with the density you have. And you can always add a second tier of netting if need be.All in all I think your in for a good harvest .
 
420herbalist

420herbalist

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Hello all! Newb grower here looking for some advice. I just flipped to flower about a week ago and after doing some more research it looks like I should have already started training my plant on the screen before I flipped. (Did some LST in Veg) The girl is about 16" tall now. Wondering if I should just put the screen at the top and start training from there or should I try to get it down a bit further? It has only stretched a few inches at this point, I am not really sure how tall she is going to get.

Thanks for any input.
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ThegrowerMOJO

ThegrowerMOJO

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you need to drop that net down now,your in you stretch right now and it's not gonna really put any new branches .just spread it out so all the main branches get some light down low.Nice lights by the way I'm headed in the led direction real soon.
 
MeGaKiLlErMaN

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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420herbalist said:
Hello all! Newb grower here looking for some advice. I just flipped to flower about a week ago and after doing some more research it looks like I should have already started training my plant on the screen before I flipped. (Did some LST in Veg) The girl is about 16" tall now. Wondering if I should just put the screen at the top and start training from there or should I try to get it down a bit further? It has only stretched a few inches at this point, I am not really sure how tall she is going to get.

Thanks for any input.
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I stopped using a scrog net myself, just pull the branches down from the center to what ever way is closest. then the plant redirects were to grow, Ill do a tutorial one day.
 
calliandra

calliandra

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TL4 said:
ok so here is day 21 pics from tonight. seems to be a lot of plant matter in there which is a little concerning. Is it unheard of for someone to chop whole branches to open it up a bit or is that a bad idea at this point?
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Haha if you're having such ideas please listen to TheGrowerMOJO & start defoliating now! :D

Wow they've exploded in the past days too, oh wait the first ones were from last Thursday. But still, quite a different picture foliage-wise and I agree, lots of plant matter, especially those leaves just laying on top of each other.

Have you removed the undergrowth below the net?
And yeah you can still remove those lowest minibudsites that will never amount to anything, though it is a bit late I imagine they're not so developed yet to make that an especially painful loss.
You could also try and get more spacing between branches by LSTing them apart, fastening them into position by tying them to your net.
Do a combination of all this, not just go mental on ripping off leaves haha
Better to remove less first, you can always remove more, but you can't glue back on ;)
 
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Dirty Hippie

Dirty Hippie

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Good day fellow growers, just found this thread and thought id share my first scrog/grow
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I'm told she stretches 3x so I left a little room around to keep tucking. its getting thick in the middle of each plant now. worried it may get outta-hand. may have to start clear room soon. I also getting some twisting leaves, may still be a ph problem, or could it be the leaves turning to face the light causing this?, first time so I'm not to sure.
 
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