4000w 16 plant grow

MMJ Dreaming 99

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Those folks are a local treasure, I learn so much from them every time I visit.

Found out about them at a commercial grow down near Ft Carson. The guy there is a real character. Nice guy but in between smoking a cig then joint out side and drinking a beer, he said he gets about 3 hours of sleep.

Someone took me there and he had a big screen watching bikini contests or something. He must but tons of predator mites from them. I asked him what clones he had and liked and he said "stripper." I never heard of them. This place could have been out of a comedy almost. He had big XXL hoods because he said he always wanted them. LOL! Great guy.
 

Afgan King

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So just to show really only damage I'm seeing at all I picked like 15 leaves like these but that's about it on 20 plant roomIMG_20170101_173043224.jpg IMG_20170101_173056946.jpg
 

Dr. Who

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What if it's in flower? 4bid still OK?
Up to mid flower is my limit on 4bid - It's really not a human tox problem.....More the mental one....Half life is longer and can be found in testing if used around 30 to go.

Think I'm gonna grab shit ton of lady bugs lol I don't think it's bad and I keep finding healthy live lady bugs in other room.....Think they have healthy supply of food
Good place to start!

Forbid and Floramite =- okay in early flower like 3 to maybe 4 weeks. Make sure to wear a respirator. $30 to 50 or cheap one for $17 at Harbor Freight. Gloves. They have a face shield for $3.99 at harbor freight. Take off your clothes and shower afterwards then wash your clothes. Stay out of that room for at least 12 hours if it is prolonged period.

http://www.harborfreight.com/p95-maintenance-free-dual-cartridge-respirator-66554.html
Face shield
http://www.harborfreight.com/face-shield-with-flip-up-visor-62995.html

Harbor frieght has decent 1 and 2 gallon sprayers.

Disposable spray suits - cheap like $2.00 if you buy 20
https://www.google.com/#q=disposable+spray+suit&tbm=shop
FORBID is the only "Mite Nuker" I'll use - PERIOD!

In reality the call for safety equipment is in Federal labeling laws for all insecticides !

In deep researching Forbid and the active ingredient. I see no reason to actually go to the problem of either face mask or suit.

It only has a possibility for skin and eye irritation....and yeah, it's not systemic - it's translaminar - goes on lightly to the leaf tops and goes through the leaf, settling on the cells of the leaf bottoms,,right were the little bastards feed!
 

MMJ Dreaming 99

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Up to mid flower is my limit on 4bid - It's really not a human tox problem.....More the mental one....Half life is longer and can be found in testing if used around 30 to go.



Good place to start!



FORBID is the only "Mite Nuker" I'll use - PERIOD!

In reality the call for safety equipment is in Federal labeling laws for all insecticides !

In deep researching Forbid and the active ingredient. I see no reason to actually go to the problem of either face mask or suit.

It only has a possibility for skin and eye irritation....and yeah, it's not systemic - it's translaminar - goes on lightly to the leaf tops and goes through the leaf, settling on the cells of the leaf bottoms,,right were the little bastards feed!
How about Floramite? I think they both will irritate lungs and mucus membranes/
 

Afgan King

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Up to mid flower is my limit on 4bid - It's really not a human tox problem.....More the mental one....Half life is longer and can be found in testing if used around 30 to go.



Good place to start!



FORBID is the only "Mite Nuker" I'll use - PERIOD!

In reality the call for safety equipment is in Federal labeling laws for all insecticides !

In deep researching Forbid and the active ingredient. I see no reason to actually go to the problem of either face mask or suit.

It only has a possibility for skin and eye irritation....and yeah, it's not systemic - it's translaminar - goes on lightly to the leaf tops and goes through the leaf, settling on the cells of the leaf bottoms,,right were the little bastards feed!
Thank u sir and I've used lady bugs to keep all types of bugs in check. I barely even have a problem why I figured they'd be cool to add in for last 12 days of flower and keep my buds as nice as I can I hate spraying anything in flower lol but have green cleaner and 4bid for other flower room green cleaner just for later flower have used before not bad product and I'll avid the fuck out of the clones and moms
 

Dr. Who

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How about Floramite? I think they both will irritate lungs and mucus membranes/
Never really looked into Floramite or Avid to deeply. They each have their own problems. Floramite is flat out toxic to humans. The wearing of protective gear is a no brainer! Avid is the same way! Toxic to humans....

4bid is basically - not! It's an organic acid. It looses it's organic label by process. The binding agent they use is not. It blocks lipid fat absorption in certain insects. That basically dries them out. It works the same way organic insecticide soaps do....
 

ttystikk

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Never really looked into Floramite or Avid to deeply. They each have their own problems. Floramite is flat out toxic to humans. The wearing of protective gear is a no brainer! Avid is the same way! Toxic to humans....

4bid is basically - not! It's an organic acid. It looses it's organic label by process. The binding agent they use is not. It blocks lipid fat absorption in certain insects. That basically dries them out. It works the same way organic insecticide soaps do....
What is its closest natural analog?
 

Dr. Who

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What is its closest natural analog?
C23 H30 O4 is spiromesifen. the compounded form of a Tetronic Acid C4 H4 O3

Tetronic acid -
It interconverts between keto and enol tautomers:[2]


Many natural products such as ascorbic acid (vitamin C), penicillic acid, pulvinic acids, and abyssomicins possess the β-keto-γ-butyrolactone motif of tetronic acid.[3]

In organic synthesis, it is used as a precursor for other substituted and ring-fused furans and butenolides.[4][5] It is also forms the structural core of a class of pesticides, known as tetronic acid insecticides, which includes spirodiclofen and spiromesifen.[6]

^^^wiki cut and paste details^^^

It's isolated from fungi.....It can also be synthesized...
 

ttystikk

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C23 H30 O4 is spiromesifen. the compounded form of a Tetronic Acid C4 H4 O3

Tetronic acid -
It interconverts between keto and enol tautomers:[2]


Many natural products such as ascorbic acid (vitamin C), penicillic acid, pulvinic acids, and abyssomicins possess the β-keto-γ-butyrolactone motif of tetronic acid.[3]

In organic synthesis, it is used as a precursor for other substituted and ring-fused furans and butenolides.[4][5] It is also forms the structural core of a class of pesticides, known as tetronic acid insecticides, which includes spirodiclofen and spiromesifen.[6]

^^^wiki cut and paste details^^^

It's isolated from fungi.....It can also be synthesized...
So is it similar to Spinosad?
 

Dr. Who

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So is it similar to Spinosad?
No, Sinosad is from bacteria found around sugarcane (had to check the spelling) saccharopolyspora spinosa. It's developed from 2 forms of Spinosa isolated by fermentation....
The 2 are combined as a major and a minor.. spinosyn A and spinosyn D. The ratio is a trade secret but, it's listed at around 17:3.

It makes a bugs nervous system go into "overdrive" and it kills it. Works most effectively in the larval stage. Exposure does begin in the egg if they are there. Adults tend to live through an application and therefor you use it in intervals that would apply it before progressive egg hatchings..Works best on Thrips. Mites do succumb to it. You must use it every 5 days, 3 times would be my minimum, and then keep a close eye out for any that may have slipped past - for the mites...

I have not researched any half life or effective use times. It is systemic and most likely degrades past it's effective life quickly do to it's acid/sugar formulation. It does not get any "tolerance" by exposure - insect wise!

Because it requires no synthetic binders or additions. It's fully accepted as organic. It is another acid too.

Oh,yeah...forgot - It's used as a soil drench for fire ants and that points to it possibly being effective on the dreaded ROOT APHID.....I would guess that would take drenching regularly for around 4 weeks to be effective. I think I read somewhere it was about 60% effective at 1 use, for that.
 
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ttystikk

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No, Sinosad is from bacteria found around sugarcane (had to check the spelling) saccharopolyspora spinosa. It's developed from 2 forms of Spinosa isolated by fermentation....
The 2 are combined as a major and a minor.. spinosyn A and spinosyn D. The ratio is a trade secret but, it's listed at around 17:3.

It makes a bugs nervous system go into "overdrive" and it kills it. Works most effectively in the larval stage. Exposure does begin in the egg if they are there. Adults tend to live through an application and therefor you use it in intervals that would apply it before progressive egg hatchings..Works best on Thrips. Mites do succumb to it. You must use it every 5 days, 3 times would be my minimum, and then keep a close eye out for any that may have slipped past - for the mites...

I have not researched any half life or effective use times. It is systemic and most likely degrades past it's effective life quickly do to it's acid/sugar formulation. It does not get any "tolerance" by exposure - insect wise!

Because it requires no synthetic binders or additions. It's fully accepted as organic. It is another acid too.

Oh,yeah...forgot - It's used as a soil drench for fire ants and that points to it possibly being effective on the dreaded ROOT APHID.....I would guess that would take drenching regularly for around 4 weeks to be effective. I think I read somewhere it was about 60% effective at 1 use, for that.
Cool shit, bro! I need all the weapons I can get in my arsenal. I got a bad bottle of Bomide brand organic pyrethrins recently and it WASN'T EFFECTIVE AT ALL. Fucking mite population exploded, bad day.
 

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