Hermies, most have no idea!!!

[Dr. Who]

Hmmm. This post is rather interesting. I'll admit I didn't read all 3 pages. But, having come across my first plant to begin growing buds then balls. I was unsure if what to do with it.

"Kill it" isn't my normal response. Neither is it if I find a male. Instead. I'd rather see what comes from them going about their business. Or select those that show traits I seek. Rather than just anything goes.

I'm a little curious though. If I do wish for a female plant to self seed. How much of its buds should I be looking at leaving on. Or does it only work with whole plants?

And is there a defined amount of time to leave it before it will self pollinate?
Or do I just let it keep going til it's keeled over?

"Late seeding" is throwing banana's.....I personally have not seen a late seeding plant throw "balls".....

 

[Nugachino]

Okay wrong terminology again. Forgive the mistake. I'm still a noob essentially.

So is it right before it dies that it does it? And what's the germination rate like on seeds that come about this way.

 

[Dr. Who]

According to the research I just did on my latest seed purchase from Cali-Connection, The amino acid in question is known as the "Swerve" gene.

Um, "Swerve" is the "name" of the Cali Con Breeder. He's not the most popular guy in the industry....Just ask SFV...
It's also a name of a strain.....I really don't want his "Gene"....

 

[Budley Doright]

I was at first kind of amused by the question... So I answered that way.....I should have answered -

After all,,,,,STS, colloidal silver, etc.........

How about a true mutation? Colchicine does what?

PGR's do what?

Were only scratching the surface.

Ya I got the thinly veiled sarcastic response, getting use to them actually . Thanks kingrow! that was what I was asking.

 

[Dr. Who]

Okay wrong terminology again. Forgive the mistake. I'm still a noob essentially.

So is it right before it dies that it does it? And what's the germination rate like on seeds that come about this way.

It happens most on plants that are prone to do it....(all cannabis strains "can") The plant will throw naners and self replicate....
This done near the or soon after where we would harvest - sometimes earlier (strain thing). The plant then will run it's self till the seeds are mature and die off soon after.....

It's the plant "needing" to carry on it's line (so to speak).

 

[Dr. Who]

Ya I got the thinly veiled sarcastic response, getting use to them actually . Thanks kingrow! that was what I was asking.

And his was direct to the "natural" part of "why"...
I gave you known way's to "apply" for result.....today.

Sorry, I was getting tired last night....You did not deserve that Budley.....My bad!

basketball overload....

 

[Nugachino]

Okay cool. This is really helpful. Because my current indoor grow has a really nice format to it. And seems to handle my shit really well. And I wanted to get more of it. But, don't even know what seed it came from. I also don't have any males to use.

But, I do have a weird lanky plant that just started to show nanners or whatever you want to call them.

 

[Kingrow1]

Ya I got the thinly veiled sarcastic response, getting use to them actually . Thanks kingrow! that was what I was asking.

Theres one more peice of the puzzle and thats why this is hard wired into every plant.

At some point a mutation, genetic drift, breeding depression, passing asteroid in space etc etc caused a single sex marijuana plant to express both sexs of flowers on the same plant, which we now term a hermie.

Not only did this new ability mean it carried forth its genetics by self pollinating itself or selfing but it also became so much more dominant in the bad years where humidity, rain, storms etc etc can cause challenging conditions for pollen to travel from one plant to another. Wet pollen is useless as it cant float throug air just stick to stuff and when dried out it usually overdrys and dies. That nanna is already nestling its sticky pollen finger all over a bunch of female pistils and has no travelling to do.

Through these natural processes the hermie gene must have proliferated for hundreds if not thousonds of years and across all wild populations of the world till it became a full time feature and hard wired.

So far ive never heard of hermie proof weed seeds or clones, some strains are better than others but theres few if not no strains that you cant google up someone who got a nanna on their bud.

In the wild the ability is desirable, its all about making the most seed, in grow rooms its a bad thing as were all about getting high and rarely want seed.

 

[Nugachino]

So @Kingrow1 if I leave the bottom third of larfy on my plant and take the tops. Will it still try to self replicate?

 

[dannyboy602]

Can we agree that a plant with a few male flowers isn't a hermaphrodite? A plant with a couple dozen male sacks isn't one either. So at what point does it become a hermie? What's the definition of a hermaphrodite anyway?
So we know that Cannabis is an annual meaning it germinates, grows to full size, flowers and sets seed. Then it dies. It wouldn't be an annual if it wintered over and came back the following spring. But if it's going to survive it needs to set seed. Its perfectly natural. That trait, making seed, can't be bred out of the species. I don't think so anyway.
Many new growers freak out if they find even one flower. But that doesn't make it a hermie. I grow many feminized plants, not always but sometimes it just pushes out a bunch of bananas near the end. Its just natures way of trying to ensure survival. So I think we just have to understand that those bananas can be pulled off easily enough and not stress that our plants might be undergoing a sex change.
The process of hermaphroditism is different than a plant that is just trying to keep from going extinct.

 

[hillbill]

Late nanners have never seemed to bother anything. Full hermies are no fun. Some here speak of getting a few seeds as a bonus. You might try 1000s of seeds on multiple plants of maybe unknown liniage.

Just had a plant go half and half right from the start of flower. Sometimes even a few male flowers that may be hidden like low on a bud can infect the area. About to run a strain that I know will throw nanners late but never hermied for me.

 

[Dr. Who]

Can we agree that a plant with a few male flowers isn't a hermaphrodite? A plant with a couple dozen male sacks isn't one either. So at what point does it become a hermie? What's the definition of a hermaphrodite anyway?
So we know that Cannabis is an annual meaning it germinates, grows to full size, flowers and sets seed. Then it dies. It wouldn't be an annual if it wintered over and came back the following spring. But if it's going to survive it needs to set seed. Its perfectly natural. That trait, making seed, can't be bred out of the species. I don't think so anyway.
Many new growers freak out if they find even one flower. But that doesn't make it a hermie. I grow many feminized plants, not always but sometimes it just pushes out a bunch of bananas near the end. Its just natures way of trying to ensure survival. So I think we just have to understand that those bananas can be pulled off easily enough and not stress that our plants might be undergoing a sex change.
The process of hermaphroditism is different than a plant that is just trying to keep from going extinct.

I agree.
The actual term used to describe a "hermie" plant is "bisexual". (wasn't that you that pointed that out a few years back too?)
To be considered an actually "bisexual" plant. It must have both sexual organs, that develope at the natural times for each on the plant in question.

What we have been talking about in this thread. Is purely natural actions of a plant stressed to do so. OR, that the plant has a more pronounced, active, need to do so...

Late nanners have never seemed to bother anything.

In the plant science of such things. It's been found that in plants throwing minor amounts of incidental "naners". Those naners are at most, less then 20% viable....In other words, Over 80% of that "naner" pollen is sterile....."The boys ain't swim'in".

 

[Kingrow1]

Can we agree that a plant with a few male flowers isn't a hermaphrodite? A plant with a couple dozen male sacks isn't one either. So at what point does it become a hermie? What's the definition of a hermaphrodite anyway?
So we know that Cannabis is an annual meaning it germinates, grows to full size, flowers and sets seed. Then it dies. It wouldn't be an annual if it wintered over and came back the following spring. But if it's going to survive it needs to set seed. Its perfectly natural. That trait, making seed, can't be bred out of the species. I don't think so anyway.
Many new growers freak out if they find even one flower. But that doesn't make it a hermie. I grow many feminized plants, not always but sometimes it just pushes out a bunch of bananas near the end. Its just natures way of trying to ensure survival. So I think we just have to understand that those bananas can be pulled off easily enough and not stress that our plants might be undergoing a sex change.
The process of hermaphroditism is different than a plant that is just trying to keep from going extinct.

As i said before i believe that mj plants cannot be hermies and keep their true XY XX genetics unlike a hermaphrodite, the part that causes the hermie thing dosent seem to have any link to the sexual genetics of a plant and therefore cannot be termed as a hermie in any sense but must be called a true male or female.

 

[Kingrow1]

I agree.
The actual term used to describe a "hermie" plant is "bisexual". (wasn't that you that pointed that out a few years back too?)
To be considered an actually "bisexual" plant. It must have both sexual organs, that develope at the natural times for each on the plant in question.

What we have been talking about in this thread. Is purely natural actions of a plant stressed to do so. OR, that the plant has a more pronounced, active, need to do so...



In the plant science of such things. It's been found that in plants throwing minor amounts of incidental "naners". Those naners are at most, less then 20% viable....In other words, Over 80% of that "naner" pollen is sterile....."The boys ain't swim'in".

Bi sex still involves the male/female genetic code and i like to think that these so called hermies are still 100% female (or male but thats not that common in our grow tents).

The point of it being independant of the sexual genetics was also to get away from old theories that support the hermie sexual genes or XYX XXYYXYX theories that went before.

People will always use the word hermie or bi-sex but if the original cause is not the sexual genetics then it cannot gain a sexual classification other than male or female XX or XY.

I hope you see the difference.

 

[Dr. Who]

Bi sex still involves the male/female genetic code and i like to think that these so called hermies are still 100% female (or male but thats not that common in our grow tents).

The point of it being independant of the sexual genetics was also to get away from old theories that support the hermie sexual genes or XYX XXYYXYX theories that went before.

People will always use the word hermie or bi-sex but if the original cause is not the sexual genetics then it cannot gain a sexual classification other than male or female XX or XY.

I hope you see the difference.

Oh yes! I do.....nicely put!

 

[Ilikebigbudsnicnnotlie]

As i said before i believe that mj plants cannot be hermies and keep their true XY XX genetics unlike a hermaphrodite, the part that causes the hermie thing dosent seem to have any link to the sexual genetics of a plant and therefore cannot be termed as a hermie in any sense but must be called a true male or female.

I have a question as a new grower. I currently have 6 plants 4 being a strain from decent bud I bought and 2 from a known grower. Should state I started with 9 had 3 males I disposed of. Anyways the 4 seeds from my bag weed came out 2 pink bud plants and 2 really frosty. 4 weeks in I notice pollen sacks in the pinks which I removed but noticed 1 opened. 6 days later all my plants are growing seeds. Not a ton just here and there but much more on the pinks. My thoughts were I'm screwed anyways so let em go as I'm growing to just smoke my own. These pics are plants from the same seeds. I'm thinking the pinks were hermies since I found the sacks on them?

 

[Budley Doright]

So you didn't see any pollen sacs on the other plants but only the pinks? If that's true then it will be interesting to see what if any magical super plants emerg from those seeds from the non pinks. Ah yes the clone only magic plant or the lean mean hermi machine, wish I had the time and the space .

 

[Ilikebigbudsnicnnotlie]

So you didn't see any pollen sacs on the other plants but only the pinks? If that's true then it will be interesting to see what if any magical super plants emerg from those seeds from the non pinks. Ah yes the clone only magic plant or the lean mean hermi machine, wish I had the time and the space .

Only on the 2 pinks. I thought it was strange when they first started budding that the 4 seeds produced 2 of one kind and 2 of another. Both look and smell amazing except for the fact that they now have seeds. Also my 2 OG are also seeded. Exactly, if I had the room I would have moved them I already built my wife a closet in our spare room because she came home to her walk-in closet being turned into my grow room.

 

[Ilikebigbudsnicnnotlie]

Can we agree that a plant with a few male flowers isn't a hermaphrodite? A plant with a couple dozen male sacks isn't one either. So at what point does it become a hermie? What's the definition of a hermaphrodite anyway?
So we know that Cannabis is an annual meaning it germinates, grows to full size, flowers and sets seed. Then it dies. It wouldn't be an annual if it wintered over and came back the following spring. But if it's going to survive it needs to set seed. Its perfectly natural. That trait, making seed, can't be bred out of the species. I don't think so anyway.
Many new growers freak out if they find even one flower. But that doesn't make it a hermie. I grow many feminized plants, not always but sometimes it just pushes out a bunch of bananas near the end. Its just natures way of trying to ensure survival. So I think we just have to understand that those bananas can be pulled off easily enough and not stress that our plants might be undergoing a sex change.
The process of hermaphroditism is different than a plant that is just trying to keep from going extinct.

This would be true except I grew 4 seeds from the same bud and got 4 females 2 pink flowered plants and 2 frosty. Weird right? Turns out 3-4 weeks into flowering the pinks have male parts, actual pollen sacks which pollinated the other 2 plants. Hermies are real and they are terrifying. Pretty plants though.

 

[Kingrow1]

This would be true except I grew 4 seeds from the same bud and got 4 females 2 pink flowered plants and 2 frosty. Weird right? Turns out 3-4 weeks into flowering the pinks have male parts, actual pollen sacks which pollinated the other 2 plants. Hermies are real and they are terrifying. Pretty plants though.

We were suggesting that a few male flowers on a female plant does not alter its genetic sex and therefore isnt a correct definition of hemaphodite.

Off course male flowers on female plants happen all the time, no ones suggesting that dosent happen