We're breeding out the ambering of trich's in many new strains ?

[RM3]

As recall RM3 Said the amber was caused by more CBD ,

nope

 

[Ull420]

nope

Sorry RM3 mix up things, i have read u threads, a long time ago, heck i even just bought some of u seeds. But "normal belief" dark heads is degradeing THC right ? So I kind of mixed that up with your research. and early amber has nothing to do with CBD?.

 

[rkymtnman]

That's the thing I see too.. Older strains amber.
newer and uber potent - Don't!

let's look at this from a different angle:

newer, potent strains don't amber as expected.

1. possibly the higher THC% causes this? is there really that big of difference b/t 18% old school strains and 28% new strains? maybe.

2. advances in lighting. perhaps these newer strains are being bred under LED, LEC with a fuller spectrum compared to old school strains being bred under HPS/MH which causes the non ambering effect? maybe.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

let's look at this from a different angle:

newer, potent strains don't amber as expected.

1. possibly the higher THC% causes this? is there really that big of difference b/t 18% old school strains and 28% new strains? maybe.

2. advances in lighting. perhaps these newer strains are being bred under LED, LEC with a fuller spectrum compared to old school strains being bred under HPS/MH which causes the non ambering effect? maybe.

Interesting theory on the higher thc. I want to agree with it.

But I have to say the colored trichomes and stalks are way more pronounced now that I have a 315 LEC in the flower room. Have been ripening a couple weeks under it. There is way more purple, pink and amber showing while most of the rest if he trichomes are still clear headed.

Most of my strains are old school hybrids or crosses with ECSD and G-13 and Jack Herrer for instance. And I know they were bred under standard HPS bulbs from seed to flower. And some are specked with colored glands.

The newer stuff like Headband only shows clear to cloudy. And it has a more one dimensional blasting kind of high too.

 

[rkymtnman]

Interesting theory on the higher thc. I want to agree with it.

But I have to say the colored trichomes and stalks are way more pronounced now that I have a 315 LEC in the flower room. Have been ripening a couple weeks under it. There is way more purple, pink and amber showing while most of the rest if he trichomes are still clear headed.

Most of my strains are old school hybrids or crosses with ECSD and G-13 and Jack Herrer for instance. And I know they were bred under standard HPS bulbs from seed to flower. And some are specked with colored glands.

The newer stuff like Headband only shows clear to cloudy. And it has a more one dimensional blasting kind of high too.

of the 2 ideas i posted, i was leaning more towards the spectrum being more of the cause. all of these old school strains bred under different lights now have more of a sunlight spectrum and are behaving differently .

definitely one of the questions that makes you go "hmmmmm?" for sure!

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

of the 2 ideas i posted, i was leaning more towards the spectrum being more of the cause. all of these old school strains bred under different lights now have more of a sunlight spectrum and are behaving differently .

definitely one of the questions that makes you go "hmmmmm?" for sure!

I get it now. I am really stoned because of these new spectrums. Lol.

I have been saying it tastes and feels more like good outdoor. It is all very familiar feeling. Like high school in the 80's. When we smoked tons of outdoor grown old school Skunk.

 

[rkymtnman]

I am really stoned because of these new spectrums.

blame it on the lights! too funny my man. lol.

 

[Dr. Who]

of the 2 ideas i posted, i was leaning more towards the spectrum being more of the cause. all of these old school strains bred under different lights now have more of a sunlight spectrum and are behaving differently .

definitely one of the questions that makes you go "hmmmmm?" for sure!

The lighting spectrum thing has always been on my mind....I find the "emerson effect" as being overblown. I mean, sure it seems to help with overall growth but, that heavy emphasis on the far red ,, seems to have a detrimental effect on the buzz structure....Flat and one sided....

I run HPS 1K's in Jupiter 6 hoods with a 400w Merc Vapor below the glass and going out towards the center. This not only gives me the blue spectrum I want. It's delivering a very nice UVB exposure. That runs for 3 hrs in early (After a cpl hrs HPS on) to mid lighting time - Just like the peak before the "light saturation" point..

I and my patients are liking that a lot...but, yeah. I have the same feeling on that point.

 

[rkymtnman]

It's delivering a very nice UVB exposure. That runs for 3 hrs in early (After a cpl hrs HPS on) to mid lighting time - Just like the peak before the "light saturation" point..

i'm interested in that time frame for the uvb. i've got one of those htg supply pure uv t5's and i've been running mine for 15 minutes per 2 hours but only in the window of the day when the sun's uv is highest i.e. from like 10 am to 2pm when they tell you to stay out of the sun if possible.

so you run yours more in the "morning" of the plant? have you tried the "midday" approach?

 

[Dr. Who]

i'm interested in that time frame for the uvb. i've got one of those htg supply pure uv t5's and i've been running mine for 15 minutes per 2 hours but only in the window of the day when the sun's uv is highest i.e. from like 10 am to 2pm when they tell you to stay out of the sun if possible.

so you run yours more in the "morning" of the plant? have you tried the "midday" approach?

The light saturation point begins well before 2 pm on any given full sun day in C3 plants......The plant is actually changing on the cellular peptide level to protect it's self from the increased UV and the other delivered light intensity.

I have tried it later. Tried 10min an hr every hr. I'm getting the best results with the lighting I'm using and the 9-12 (Figure of speech as I run at night. Run time is 11 hrs) time used. To be direct. Lights are on for 3 and the MV fires up for 3 hrs. MV shuts off and the lights continue for 5 more..

 

[rkymtnman]

The light saturation point begins well before 2 pm on any given full sun day in C3 plants......The plant is actually changing on the cellular peptide level to protect it's self from the increased UV and the other delivered light intensity.

I have tried it later. Tried 10min an hr every hr. I'm getting the best results with the lighting I'm using and the 9-12 (Figure of speech as I run at night. Run time is 11 hrs) time used. To be direct. Lights are on for 3 and the MV fires up for 3 hrs. MV shuts off and the lights continue for 5 more..

thanks! gonna try that next go round. makes sense.

 

[SouthCross]

9th week and no hint of amber. Not even on the sugar leaves. Light was down to 10hrs. Same exact cycle as in cabinet 1, same milky look. Increased today to 11.45hrs total.

Let's see what it does.

 

[Jaybodankly]

I wonder how many of you saying no amber on new strains are not running HPS in flower? Like old growers have done for the last 20+ years.

 

[SouthCross]

I wonder how many of you saying no amber on new strains are not running HPS in flower? Like old growers have done for the last 20+ years.

Because lots of us gave up heat problems and expensive high wattage bulbs for the modern. LED. My previous set up was a switchable dual ballast 400 watt High intensity discharge in veg. High pressure sodium in flower.

This isn't the lights fault. My theory, it's the light cycle. Particularly the diminished light schedule. Gas Lantern gave me zero issues. Diminished has brought out the weird. The out of the box thinking plant that stays milky for longer.

Is the amber rush the new gold fever? It deserves study.

 

[Dogenzengi]

@ shortybeavers

 

[dabby duck]

Because lots of us gave up heat problems and expensive high wattage bulbs for the modern. LED. My previous set up was a switchable dual ballast 400 watt High intensity discharge in veg. High pressure sodium in flower.

This isn't the lights fault. My theory, it's the light cycle. Particularly the diminished light schedule. Gas Lantern gave me zero issues. Diminished has brought out the weird. The out of the box thinking plant that stays milky for longer.

Is the amber rush the new gold fever? It deserves study.

without ruling out environmental factors? which are all over the place......

 

[Dogenzengi]

I wonder how many of you saying no amber on new strains are not running HPS in flower? Like old growers have done for the last 20+ years.

I don't see Amber on any strain but CTF.
None of the commercial strains now 12 that I have run have shown with amber.
I flower under a 600 HPS In a Flood and drain with DynaGro nutes.
65 days and you will see amber on CTF.

It is hard to wait for amber, I have taken CTF at 55 - 60 days in the past.
Great Buds.
The Strain created by @RM3 and was gifted to me about 5 months ago by another
Wonderful person.

So I'm smoking on Mamu right now, I don't get Amber on her but she can be taken
From 50 days on to 60, in my case the Mamu is not getting fatter or more trichomes during those last ten days.
Got to be operator error on my part.
It is still my Fav smoke with CTF a close second.
There is no more room for trichs on Mamu.

 

[RM3]

I wonder how many of you saying no amber on new strains are not running HPS in flower? Like old growers have done for the last 20+ years.

That's not it, I've never run an HPS bulb and I get amber on pretty much everything I grow

 

[Jaybodankly]

@SouthCross "Because lots of us gave up heat problems and expensive high wattage bulbs for the modern. LED".

I understand why people switched. My point is having changed two major environmental factors in the grow space heat and light spectrum. that needs to be looked at if you are not getting similar results as before.

 

[Dr. Who]

I wonder how many of you saying no amber on new strains are not running HPS in flower? Like old growers have done for the last 20+ years.

You didn't READ THIS did you?

The lighting spectrum thing has always been on my mind....I find the "emerson effect" as being overblown. I mean, sure it seems to help with overall growth but, that heavy emphasis on the far red ,, seems to have a detrimental effect on the buzz structure....Flat and one sided....

I run HPS 1K's in Jupiter 6 hoods with a 400w Merc Vapor below the glass and going out towards the center. This not only gives me the blue spectrum I want. It's delivering a very nice UVB exposure. That runs for 3 hrs in early (After a cpl hrs HPS on) to mid lighting time - Just like the peak before the "light saturation" point..

I and my patients are liking that a lot...but, yeah. I have the same feeling on that point.