bernie and jane are lawyering up!

[Fogdog]

We the People are not obligated to vote for either major party. This is even more true if they stubbornly refuse to represent our needs.

What's happening on the Left today is a struggle between Progressives who want to see change in taxes, corporate governance and healthcare and an establishment Democratic Party that likes the status quo and sees no need to change things- even if they keep losing.

Well the Sanders boyz don't have a finger on the pulse of the nation either.

I know this post to you is just another fart in the wind. But I have to fart and might as well do it your way. Look at your and pad's reaction to all of this.

The smear if that's what it is was instigated and now promulgated by Republicans. Bernie's babies are angry that other Democrats are laughing and telling them "I told you so", when we predicted that Bernie would be roasted by fake news propaganda ginned up by Republicans. Pad's answer is: We'll take Democrats down then. We saw the same happen to Hillary and you guys just sucked the right wing propaganda up. Meanwhile Democrats are putting most of their time and effort at stopping the completely odious, lethal and gift to the 1% called Trumpcare. No surprise that Republicans who have no answer to that are revving up the propaganda organ for another round of fake news and smear campaigns, if that's what it is regarding Bernie.

Don't you see that the media hoo-haw over an investigation that by all rights shouldn't have been in the public eye until it was complete is all part of the Republican propaganda machine? They did exactly the same to Clinton(s), Obama, every other Democratic party leader and a few Republican ones too. They have Fox News and the right wing radio empires that pump this shit out 7/24.

And the Republican's smear (maybe) of Bernie is making you angry at Democrats? A win for Trump. Bernie's babies -- not Bernie -- are giving them the win.

 

[Fogdog]

Nope. I hang here 24/7 bitching about racism, anti semitism, sexism, Trump supporters, Bernie supporters, electoral college, sock accounts, cucks, etc.

That time of the month for you, it seems.

Buck's gotten under your skin. You let him beat you.

So, are you also angry at Democrats for the Republican propaganda smear (maybe) of Saint Bernard?

 

[ttystikk]

Well the Sanders boyz don't have a finger on the pulse of the nation either.

I know this post to you is just another fart in the wind. But I have to fart and might as well do it your way. Look at your and pad's reaction to all of this.

The smear if that's what it is was instigated and now promulgated by Republicans. Bernie's babies are angry that other Democrats are laughing and telling them "I told you so", when we predicted that Bernie would be roasted by fake news propaganda ginned up by Republicans. Pad's answer is: We'll take Democrats down then. We saw the same happen to Hillary and you guys just sucked the right wing propaganda up. You still are, angry that Democrats won't get behind Bernie -- an Independent Senator -- when he on his own introduced a healthcare bill that has zero chance of making it to a vote. Meanwhile Democrats are putting most of their time and effort at stopping the completely odious, lethal and gift to the 1% called Trumpcare.

Don't you see that the media hoo-haw over an investigation that by all rights shouldn't have been in the public eye until it was complete is all part of the Republican propaganda machine? They did exactly the same to Clinton(s), Obama, every other Democratic party leader and a few Republican ones too. They have Fox News and the right wing radio empires that pump this shit out 7/24.

And the Republican's smear (maybe) of Bernie is making you angry at Democrats? A win for Trump. Bernie's babies -- not Bernie -- are giving them the win.

You active emotions and motives to me incorrectly.

I know Republicans are behind the Bernie smears. I know they were behind the Clinton smears. It was Clinton's own positions that encouraged me to find another candidate.

I don't blame Democrats for anything but their obtuseness in refusing to address or champion the needs of the average citizen.

 

[Fogdog]

You active emotions and motives to me incorrectly.

I know Republicans are behind the Bernie smears. I know they were behind the Clinton smears. It was Clinton's own positions that encouraged me to find another candidate.

I don't blame Democrats for anything but their obtuseness in refusing to address or champion the needs of the average citizen.

You are under the Republican propaganda spell. I don't think it's curable.

 

[budman111]

You active emotions and motives to me incorrectly.

I know Republicans are behind the Bernie smears. I know they were behind the Clinton smears. It was Clinton's own positions that encouraged me to find another candidate.

I don't blame Democrats for anything but their obtuseness in refusing to address or champion the needs of the average citizen.

You are arguing with someone who defends a system where someone like Trump can get the final say.

 

[ttystikk]

You are under the Republican propaganda spell. I don't think it's curable.

You are under the Idiocracy spell. You can only be cured if you want to be.

High levels of income and wealth inequality lead to all sorts of problems and instability, a fact that's been proven time and again throughout history.

 

[ttystikk]

You are arguing with someone who defends a system where someone like Trump can get the final say.

I know. What's pathetic is that he proclaims himself to be a Democrat!

 

[Fogdog]

I know. What's pathetic is that he proclaims himself to be a Democrat!

LOL

Now you are agreeing with a person lost in multiple conspiracy theories including some weird idea about Illuminati, jews and Satan being part of Trump's inner circle.

 

[Fogdog]

You are under the Idiocracy spell. You can only be cured if you want to be.

High levels of income and wealth inequality lead to all sorts of problems and instability, a fact that's been proven time and again throughout history.

Umm,

Bernie is being investigated by a Grand Jury under suspicion of committing a corrupt act. I don't buy into either conclusion right now. I think it is another Republican propaganda fake news campaign.

That makes me an idiot by your lights.

Maybe some coffee will help you. I can't.

 

[ttystikk]

LOL

Now you are agreeing with a person lost in multiple conspiracy theories including some weird idea about Illuminati, jews and Satan being part of Trump's inner circle.

I'm done trying to divide people. We need to work together.

His vote counts much as mine does and I'd rather it be cast for my candidate than the opposition. Therefore I'm trying to find common ground rather than cause for division.

Why is that so hard for you to understand or accept?

 

[ttystikk]

Umm,

Bernie is being investigated by a Grand Jury under suspicion of committing a corrupt act. I don't buy into either conclusion right now. I think it is another Republican propaganda fake news campaign.

That makes me an idiot by your lights.

Maybe some coffee will help you. I can't.

What does any of that have to do with my post?

We'll see where the investigation leads, fine.

Meanwhile, we need to address and redress the extreme levels of income and wealth inequality, lest they destabilize and ultimately destroy our country, as they've already done to our democracy.

 

[Fogdog]

I'm done trying to divide people. We need to work together.

His vote counts much as mine does and I'd rather it be cast for my candidate than the opposition. Therefore I'm trying to find common ground rather than cause for division.

Why is that so hard for you to understand or accept?

because there can only be one set of facts. We can look at the facts and make different decisions about what to do but if we don't agree to stick to facts then we are lost.

fake conspiracy theories aren't useful to a democracy. But they are useful to tyrants.

 

[ttystikk]

because there can only be one set of facts. We can look at the facts and make different decisions about what to do but if we don't agree to stick to facts then we are lost.

fake conspiracy theories aren't useful to a democracy. But they are useful to tyrants.

What's fake about the ultra rich donor class pumping billions into our political system to get what they want at the expense of the vast majority of the country?

I'm looking at the big picture, you're welcome to quibble about details if you want.

 

[Fogdog]

What's fake about the ultra rich donor class pumping billions into our political system to get what they want at the expense of the vast majority of the country?

I'm looking at the big picture, you're welcome to quibble about details if you want.

context.

My reply was to your post where you were defending your agreement with a person clearly lost to false conspiracy theories. Can you agree with Bud that Trump is surrounded by Illuminati, Jews who are doing something that budman won't explain and Satan? That Trump is surrounded by a cabal headed by Jews in conspiracy with evil supernatural beings?

That's not the big picture that I see before us. And no, this isn't a quibble over details or facts.

 

[ttystikk]

context.

My reply was to your post where you were defending your agreement with a person clearly lost to false conspiracy theories. Can you agree with Bud that Trump is surrounded by Illuminati, Jews who are doing something that budman won't explain and Satan? That Trump is surrounded by a cabal headed by Jews in conspiracy with evil supernatural beings?

That's not the big picture that I see before us. And no, this isn't a quibble over details or facts.

What the fuck?

You're saying all that. I didn't say any of that.

And you're calling ME crazy?

 

[st0wandgrow]

That time of the month for you, it seems.

Ya think? I thought it was funny.

Buck's gotten under your skin. You let him beat you.

If by beat me you mean post count, then yes, he's destroyed me. Buck doesn't get under my skin. I actually agree with a good deal of what he posts here. I'm just not reluctant to point out anything hypocritical or stupid. I've opted not to join his fan club, so I don't feel the need to massage his balls like some others do.

So, are you also angry at Democrats for the Republican propaganda smear (maybe) of Saint Bernard?

Not angry at anyone. I find it hard to believe that Bernie or his wife would intentionally defraud a bank when they stood to gain nothing financially from it, but I'm willing to wait and see where this goes before making any judgements.

 

[UncleBuck]

I find it hard to believe that Bernie or his wife would intentionally defraud a bank when they stood to gain nothing financially from it

they gained financially from it though, and not just the quarter million dollar golden parachute she gave herself as a reward for bankrupting the place.

this is kind of a stinky turd and bernie and jane have done nothing to explain it away, they just call it a witch hunt. it's not looking good for them to be honest.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Suck a bag of dicks.

^card carrying member^

 

[dagwood45431]

^card carrying member^

How's that bag of dicks coming?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Sander's boys rigged the election for Trump.

More Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton supporters voted for Obama in 2008. But that's a nice conspiracy theory based on alternative facts

You threaten that Bernie's boys will do the same if people with other viewpoints don't tow the line.

I didn't issue a threat. I stated another actual fact; your side; establishment Democrats, cannot win elections. This is based on another fact, that your side has lost more than 1,000 elections since Obama became president to Republicans. This is also based on the fact that your favored candidate lost to the most unfavorable political candidate in the last century (at least). While my side has the most popular politician in America as its leader. While actual progressives have come closer to stealing deep red districts than establishment Democrats have in decades, even winning in NY where a Democrat has never held the seat.

You can't win elections, you've proven that with all the losses. You say we can't either, but we've just begun campaigning. There hasn't even been a national election since JD began yet you can't contain your contempt for an actual progressive message/platform because it threatens your power and control structure, even before any elections have taken place!

If Democrats lose in 2018 & 2020, it will be because the party did not move to the left and support things like universal healthcare, universal college, a living wage, etc. It will be your fault. Not ours.

Sanders is being investigated for pressuring a bank to to give his wife a 6 million dollar loan. From the above, you are saying "drop the investigation or we will ensure 2018 goes to Republicans".

No, I'm saying I think it's a Republican witch hunt based on the available facts, who is issuing the allegation, what it's based on, and Sanders credibility over the course of a decades long political career. It could very well be that the Sanders' committed a crime, that's what the investigation is for, to find out. But you, other shills, and the Democratic establishment have already convicted him in your own minds simply because he hired legal defense against Trump's Justice Department. If it's revealed Jane Sanders committed bank fraud or Bernie Sanders pressured the bank to issue the loan, like I said before, I will be the first to condemn it. Until then, they are innocent until proven otherwise.