Topdawg Genetics

Cletus clem

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I'm a vulture picking at bones at this point.
91 chem #12. Sure ill pick it up
Sister city , and the skunk cross chemphlegm talks about if it ever pops up again.
I'd kill for a straight onycd or onycd 3.
But otherwise it's green point all the way.

I don't lend credence to clone only/exclusive.
chem sis, chem 4, chem d, extinct.
And if any cuts truelly exist, they're too far gone genetically.
Chem 91 is robust because it's crossed ie nl, haze, skunk,
Stardawg shines still because of the affie in double dawg but it needs another injection.
The new chems, are hybrids and need work imho
Common sense says chem chucking days are over,
work the lines or watch em fade into obscurity like the ak's and white widows of Christmas past
I guess i sounded a little harsh? Im not totally trashing the guy. I just dont like the way things look at the moment? hes got a couple things id really like to check out, 91 chem ix, onycd, lemon lime diesel and just out of curiosity if i could get my hands on a cut or a couple beanz of the original super stardawg. I can look past things, everybody has their shit. If customers are complaining that your shit is herming, deal with it!!!! Dont go airing your dirty laundry out in public! Posting disputes on instagram? Not a good idea whatever side of it youre on. Integrity is key. People can and will do and say whatever the fuck they want. You cant change that. Let them, let your work speak for itself. On a good note....day 39 no herm yet! Again, im pretty sure this cut is ok but i have tester tents now so ill use em!
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Shes just a little thing. Tents are 2.5x2.5x5 so i have to keep em pretty small. Those are 2' stakes but not sunk to the bottom so shes just shy of 3'. 1.5 gal pot, pro mix hp with worm castings, happy frog dry fert and nectar for the gods nutes. Mykos wp, mammoth p and slf-100. Light is 3 vero 29 COBs @ 2100ma for 240 watts, 3500°k.
 

morgwar

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I guess i sounded a little harsh? Im not totally trashing the guy. I just dont like the way things look at the moment? hes got a couple things id really like to check out, 91 chem ix, onycd, lemon lime diesel and just out of curiosity if i could get my hands on a cut or a couple beanz of the original super stardawg. I can look past things, everybody has their shit. If customers are complaining that your shit is herming, deal with it!!!! Dont go airing your dirty laundry out in public! Posting disputes on instagram? Not a good idea whatever side of it youre on. Integrity is key. People can and will do and say whatever the fuck they want. You cant change that. Let them, let your work speak for itself. On a good note....day 39 no herm yet! Again, im pretty sure this cut is ok but i have tester tents now so ill use em!
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Shes just a little thing. Tents are 2.5x2.5x5 so i have to keep em pretty small. Those are 2' stakes but not sunk to the bottom so shes just shy of 3'. 1.5 gal pot, pro mix hp with worm castings, happy frog dry fert and nectar for the gods nutes. Mykos wp, mammoth p and slf-100. Light is 3 vero 29 COBs @ 2100ma for 240 watts, 3500°k.
She's pretty! And I don't think your coming off as to harsh, especially if the breeder acts like a dick.
But in my case I'm still foggy on what topdawg has actually done for and with his genetics.
If its a straight chuckfest ill salvage what I can to get the ingredients I need.
 

goldberg71b

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Look I'm just germinating my first batch of TD gear. So I can't comment on new vs old strains. What I do know is this is a crazy business. Who knows who has what ax to grind and who's impartial. God I hate that who to believe???!!!!

What I see posted by @Vato_504 is a post of a partial conversation. (Why isn't he posting the whole conversation? That is the first thing that comes to my mind) Is vato 540 and inkognytogenetics the same person? If they're not the same person what is the relationship between the two of them?(That is an important piece isn't it?) Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't know that but personally I'm very skeptical of second hand info. Plus partial convos can always be taken out of context.

It seems like this convo is between 2 competitors. Which brings its own complexity to the situation. Because from the way I read it the worst thing said by JJ was actually repeating a word used by inkognytogenetics "chucking". Because everything else he said about a stable male and a known clone only is true. It's also makes those seeds an F1. Which I think we all know leads to more phenos and greater variation. But you should also know what to expect from the combination of those parents. That's really not chucking nor is it worked!? Better labeling should cure that. Back to other posts with no date or lineage!

Who knows I'm new to his gear. But when Jay Frost was telling me about people being paid or receiving discounts for smearing people this post by vato540 is something that seems to fit that bill to me. I could be completely wrong. But I felt it needed to be said.

No offense but I do find it interesting that @Gu~ shows up on the same day telling everyone about his male. That just by chance comes from older gear. Gu I told you privately I'm on no side and I mean it. But you contacted me privately to thank me for being fair. So you're watching and choosing who to cantact and when. More power to you. You've got a business to promote. But in all fairness I don't think it's fair to chime in when someone shows up dropping bombs on the competitions thread. Plus we all know JJ and you aren't on the best of terms. But since you chose to comment can I ask why you didn't comment on the known stable male and a known clone only female?

I do agree with many other things said about strain names. And changing males ect. To much to post but I did want to play devils advocate to the convo a bit. I saw the post hours after posting and I've been thinking about it before commenting. Where the truth is I've no idea. But I must say I didn't care for the post. Something about it just doesn't sit well with me. So I DM JJ on Instagram and sent him a picture of the post. So it's up to him if he wants to enter the convo. I did tell him that I thought it would be in his best interest to look at the thread and possible post about it. It just doesn't feel right to have someone posting private messages in a place that person isn't watching to defend himself. But that's just me and how I think I'd feel if it were me being hit!
 

goldberg71b

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And before someone says I was slamming jay frost from sour patch the same way --------> I told him that I was posting my experience from the get go. So when the problem arose I told him it was being chronicled. If asked he should confirm I did.
 

Lightgreen2k

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Look I'm just germinating my first batch of TD gear. So I can't comment on new vs old strains. What I do know is this is a crazy business. Who knows who has what ax to grind and who's impartial. God I hate that who to believe???!!!!

What I see posted by @Vato_504 is a post of a partial conversation. (Why isn't he posting the whole conversation? That is the first thing that comes to my mind) Is vato 540 and inkognytogenetics the same person? If they're not the same person what is the relationship between the two of them?(That is an important piece isn't it?) Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't know that but personally I'm very skeptical of second hand info. Plus partial convos can always be taken out of context.

It seems like this convo is between 2 competitors. Which brings its own complexity to the situation. Because from the way I read it the worst thing said by JJ was actually repeating a word used by inkognytogenetics "chucking". Because everything else he said about a stable male and a known clone only is true. It's also makes those seeds an F1. Which I think we all know leads to more phenos and greater variation. But you should also know what to expect from the combination of those parents. That's really not chucking nor is it worked!? Better labeling should cure that. Back to other posts with no date or lineage!

Who knows I'm new to his gear. But when Jay Frost was telling me about people being paid or receiving discounts for smearing people this post by vato540 is something that seems to fit that bill to me. I could be completely wrong. But I felt it needed to be said.

No offense but I do find it interesting that @Gu~ shows up on the same day telling everyone about his male. That just by chance comes from older gear. Gu I told you privately I'm on no side and I mean it. But you contacted me privately to thank me for being fair. So you're watching and choosing who to cantact and when. More power to you. You've got a business to promote. But in all fairness I don't think it's fair to chime in when someone shows up dropping bombs on the competitions thread. Plus we all know JJ and you aren't on the best of terms. But since you chose to comment can I ask why you didn't comment on the known stable male and a known clone only female?

I do agree with many other things said about strain names. And changing males ect. To much to post but I did want to play devils advocate to the convo a bit. I saw the post hours after posting and I've been thinking about it before commenting. Where the truth is I've no idea. But I must say I didn't care for the post. Something about it just doesn't sit well with me. So I DM JJ on Instagram and sent him a picture of the post. So it's up to him if he wants to enter the convo. I did tell him that I thought it would be in his best interest to look at the thread and possible post about it. It just doesn't feel right to have someone posting private messages in a place that person isn't watching to defend himself. But that's just me and how I think I'd feel if it were me being hit!
Wow is all I can say. You should post less on things and years of stuff you have NO idea about. First off @Vato_504 is not Ink / inkognyto is a friend of mine. The part of the conversation you are seeing is from ig and there is to much to screenshot (at least for me).
Here is the link to the whole conversation.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BXNpTL5l8Cs/

The thing you are speaking of with Gu you have no idea. Gu was o
n a forum that I was on from YEARS ago .. This was even before green point seeds/ seed junkies all that. Anyhow he and number of people got in on JJ's around that time. Some of the Original packs that he speaks of from 2009-2011
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Its imortant to differentiate from these newer batch of beans
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As people are seeming to find hermies in the newer releases..

The Old Male was Solid. These newer males have yet to be proved. Ink agrees that JJ's Old work Is Sound, but the newer gear is chucks.

Oh yeah whats with you dry snitching to JJ. sending him dms... Thats his post on Inks Instagram. JJ went on Inks feed and started everything up...
 
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Lightgreen2k

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@goldberg71b the reason why JJ and Gu dont see eye to eye is well because GU used his work in some of his crosses. Ink also used male he found from the old top dog gear.. A few years ago there wasn't really a legal market as there is now.. More things to get out... Less Artizen now.
 

Gu~

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.... I don't think it's fair to chime in when someone shows up dropping bombs on the competitions thread..
No offense taken.
I'm here though aren't I? Where is he?
He's up in the mountains having trouble taking clones and counting the money he will spend on Heroin. LOL
What if you had 20 years with the Chem lines like he has? Would you be in the same position?
 

morgwar

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All I know is I've got 4 td strains that ill have f2s of by january. By October next year ill likely have more.
In October 2018 ill have small scale licensing and possibly sooner thanks to a liquor store owner (our system is alcohol based) and a coop is in the works.
If its chuck city for TD he'll see a couple of his strains WORKED, in MY catalog by 2020. I bred for proseed, and cargill for more than 10 years and those are ACTUAL seed companies.
I'm one of literally thousands of people that can pull this off so work your shit or lose it.
Parties over!
 

chemphlegm

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I notice the most popular rock stars and actors are in the tabloids near full time, often by their own hand.
life is too short to give two fucks about some guy on the coast pollinating marijuana plants for seeds to sell.
Everyone in business has drama, who cares? if speaking publicly about their drama makes them more popular, more money, I find it pretty easy to figure the jig out.
Sell me the seeds, be honest about your chosen genes, and I'll be the judge in public.

the best of the best rose to the top here, all breeders/strains. only the best remain. I'll continue to nibble until bored on any new beans from a trusted seller, for life even. My breeders numbered in the hundreds a few years ago, now only a handful are trusted anymore. I saw the lies first hand, right in my pipe.

Gu hasnt lied to me thus far. I expect this to continue. If it doesn't he'll lose my business. I've got his best work in my possession, he fucks up......chemphlegmbeanerycom, thats the name of the game folks !
keep up the good work @Gu~
 

morgwar

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Oh and a quick tip.
You can't breed out the herm trait, its hard wired.
So to stop it you simply select based on vigour and immunity.
If the plant hermes due to stress, you either remove the stress, or remove the weakness in the plant itself.
Put a soldier on the battlefield unarmed and he pisses himself, give him good equipment and training and he'll fight.
 

chemphlegm

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Oh and a quick tip.
You can't breed out the herm trait, its hard wired.
So to stop it you simply select based on vigour and immunity.
If the plant hermes due to stress, you either remove the stress, or remove the weakness in the plant itself.
Put a soldier on the battlefield unarmed and he pisses himself, give him good equipment and training and he'll fight.

breed out ? not sure about that.
but check this out;
Tahoe OG Kush, all the fems showed confusion(2008ish)
I chose my fav clone and treated her one time with Reverse, fan leaves, spritz, cost about .09 to do it.
I've cloned form a clone hundreds of times, hybridized with 6 other favorites, no more confusion ever in any after
initial treatment, just like they told me on the phone. Reverse is a brand name, the tech is age old and used on many veggies and fruits in production.

I have successfully bred this sexual confusion from every Tahoe OG Kush, and now EVERY chem hybrid I keep, some single prophylactic treatments even, just in case on those. imagine the time savings even if this hormonal issue could be bred out, compared to this.
 

goldberg71b

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Wow is all I can say. You should post less on things and years of stuff you have NO idea about. First off @Vato_504 is not Ink / inkognyto is a friend of mine. The part of the conversation you are seeing is from ig and there is to much to screenshot (at least for me).
Here is the link to the whole conversation.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BXNpTL5l8Cs/

The thing you are speaking of with Gu you have no idea. Gu was o
n a forum that I was on from YEARS ago .. This was even before green point seeds/ seed junkies all that. Anyhow he and number of people got in on JJ's around that time. Some of the Original packs that he speaks of from 2009-2011
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Its imortant to differentiate from these newer batch of beans
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As people are seeming to find hermies in the newer releases..

The Old Male was Solid. These newer males have yet to be proved. Ink agrees that JJ's Old work Is Sound, but the newer gear is chucks.

Oh yeah whats with you dry snitching to JJ. sending him dms... Thats his post on Inks Instagram. JJ went on Inks feed and started everything up...
First off the point of my post was to bring more light to the subject. As I said I don't know who vato is. And I don't trust what one guy types. Second snitching?? That's funny. Why because i don't think private convos should be posted in part or at all? I'm not defending or taking sides. Just pointing things out the that seem strange to me.
 
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goldberg71b

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No offense taken.
I'm here though aren't I? Where is he?
He's up in the mountains having trouble taking clones and counting the money he will spend on Heroin. LOL
What if you had 20 years with the Chem lines like he has? Would you be in the same position?
Wow that's interesting. I asked you about a known stable male and a known clone only female and some how we get herion? Yeah you're here.

I have no idea what position JJ is in. I can't say where I'd be if it were me. I've never thought about making money breeding.
 
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Vato_504

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First off the point of my post was to bring more light to the subject. As I said I don't know who vato is. And I don't trust what one guy types. Second snitching?? That's funny. Why because i don't think private convos should be posted in part or at all? I'm not defending or taking sides. Just pointing things out the that seem strange to me.
I'm the same dude who told your dumb ass sour patch was a scam artist. Me posting your fav breeder saying he's chucking is just that me posting. I don't care about JJ or what JJ does. But a few guys on here that don't have IG I thought they should see that. And you read his exchange with Ink so I know you know he said he's a chucker now more then one time. So don't let me stop you from spending your money on the chuck of the month... FYI ink is white I'm black so we're not the same.
 

goldberg71b

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I'm the same dude who told your dumb ass sour patch was a scam artist. Me posting your fav breeder saying he's chucking is just that me posting. I don't care about JJ or what JJ does. But a few guys on here that don't have IG I thought they should see that. And you read his exchange with Ink so I know you know he said he's a chucker now more then one time. So don't let me stop you from spending your money on the chuck of the month... FYI ink is white I'm black so we're not the same.
lol. Ok now I'm a dumb ass. Well you're entitled to your opinion and JJ isn't my favorite breeder. That could turn out to be the case or I could end up not liking his work. I don't know yet. The only seeds I've planted of his aren't even ready for cutting to be taken yet. So I've never seen a finished product of his gear other than pictures. Which do me no good. But I do have more than my fair share of seeds. So I'll see it first hand. I guess my point is I think the term chucker isn't being used right. I wouldn't expect anything to be worked from a known clone only female other that a straight forward cross to a known STABLE male. As long as they are his "studs"?! If the males are not his "studs" and have never been used I would agree with chucking! Maybe I'm wrong but I'm operating under the impression that he's using previously used and tested studs.

As far as sour patch goes. The only reason I ordered there is because when I was searching for brokers with TD in stock his name was suggested by chemphlegm. He said he used them and had no issues. No one said anything bad about him. At the time a new drop was expected so when I saw items I wanted and SPS had them I bought them. I jumped because I had been searching for several weeks at the time. So in my hast to beat others to the punch I placed the order. That's my fault I should have done my homework. Trust me there's no way in hell I'll do that again!

Your race doesn't make a bit of difference to me. But when people act they way you're acting to me by calling me names instead of making a point I question motives. Sorry but just because it's posted on here doesn't make it gospel in my book. I have no beef with you so there's no need to call names. I'm a suspicious guy and when I see half a convo I'll be the first one to question it every time. If a link was posted to the whole convo from the start I wouldn't have questioned the motive behind it.
 

chemphlegm

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I've placed more orders with them since with no issue. Not defending them at all, no dogs in that race, but they treated me well and customer service was good. Expensive but couldnt find what I was looking for any where else, so they rock in my book until further notice
 
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