12 Democratic Senators sign on to co-sponsor Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All Bill

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schuylaar

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tangerinegreen555 said:
What bothers me is reality never matches the theory.

And 'Medicare for all' is not what Canada and other western societies have.

I'll be on Medicare in a year and a half. You still need a supplimental policy to cover the 20% they don't cover.

My friends in Canada don't pay anything. No copays, no deductables, nothing. Except the higher tax rate.

I get the feeling that if we had what Bernie supports tomorrow, it wouldn't be what you expect. I like the idea, but guaranteed they will fuck it up. If we were at 80% public approval, and could study it and go over it with a fine tooth comb for 6 months without republican resistance (not to mention resistance from insurance, phama, medical supplier, etc. companies), it could work.

I'm not very optimistic. And you'd HAVE to have higher tax rates especially for multi millionaires. Which we should have anyway.

Sooooo much resistance. I'm depressed thinking about it already.

You know, Medicare isn't really that great, right? You get sick enough, you can wind up in a nursing home and lose everything.

I always supported a 'catastrophic' gov't. health insurance. So they can't bleed the little guy dry at the end. You have no idea how many people lose everything at the end while a bunch of CEO's smoke cigars and laugh.
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we could do nothing and that would be worse.
 
Huckster79

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Fogdog said:
Tea party was pretty much a citizen's movement at first. Conservatives have their own rebellion going on.
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I disagree, it was lead by grass roots type people on the ground but the agenda and fervor had been ginned up in them by the crazy right talking heads...
 
Fogdog

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Huckster79 said:
I disagree, it was lead by grass roots type people on the ground but the agenda and fervor had been ginned up in them by the crazy right talking heads...
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It's probably a mixture of the of grass roots activism and big money propaganda. Definitely Koch money went into developing the tea party too. There was quite a bit of local activism early on, especially when the ACA went public and angry old white men on Medicare showed up to vent at town hall meetings against government subsidies to expand access to health care for the poor.
 
Huckster79

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Fogdog said:
It's probably a mixture of the of grass roots activism and big money propaganda. Definitely Koch money went into developing the tea party too. There was quite a bit of local activism early on, especially when the ACA went public and angry old white men on Medicare showed up to vent at town hall meetings against government subsidies to expand access to health care for the poor.
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I shouldnt laugh because its so serious, but your description is beyond spot on!
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
So why haven't all the Democrats in the Senate signed on to cosponsor this bill?
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Republicans are going to stop this bill from seeing the light of day.

I support the bill and have made my calls to Merkely who is a cosponsor and Wyden who is not. I haven't of course heard back but Wyden, I'm sure is hearing about this from Oregonians regarding his decision to no cosponsor it. Same with Merkely, I'm asking why he'd support a bill this isn't funded.

It's a dunce of a bill. Unfunded BS released as a symbolic act. As Merkely said on NPR this morning: "It has no chance at all. But if you don't lay out a vision and you don't start carrying on the dialogue with the American people, then you have no chance to build towards a better future. ". I can't get excited about "start carrying on the dialogue" of something that has been an issue for about 80 years. My vote for Wyden won't be affected by his decision not to cosponsor it.

Sanders is leading this and didn't ask me if he should release it. I can either get into the pool with others in support are be one of the ones trying to pull the plug. I'm generally for Universal coverage and like the idea of expanding Medicare instead of continuing to hand 1/4 of our economy over to insurance companies. And so, I support it although about as excited about this bill as I was about Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party nominee. Tepid is how I'd say I feel about it.

Sandernistas are idiots if they are all excited about this.
 
Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F09

Top Recipients, 2015-2016
Candidate Office Amount
Clinton, Hillary (D)
$2,492,387
Trump, Donald (R)
$838,162
Rubio, Marco (R-FL) Senate
$672,127
Ryan, Paul (R-WI) House
$666,849
Cruz, Ted (R-TX) Senate
$661,876
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If you are implying that health care money is going to start flowing in opposition, you'd be right.

Regarding the implication that somehow Democrats are bought and paid for already? This bill already has a record number of cosponsors. You do know that "record number" means most in the history of the Senate, don't you? Democrats will support this bill. Maybe 1 to 3 will not. Manchin almost certainly not for exactly the reason I'm not really excited about it. How much and how to fund it was deliberately left out of this bill.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Republicans are going to stop this bill from seeing the light of day.

I support the bill and have made my calls to Merkely who is a cosponsor and Wyden who is not. I haven't of course heard back but Wyden, I'm sure is hearing about this from Oregonians regarding his decision to no cosponsor it. Same with Merkely, I'm asking why he'd support a bill this isn't funded.

It's a dunce of a bill. Unfunded BS released as a symbolic act. As Merkely said on NPR this morning: "It has no chance at all. But if you don't lay out a vision and you don't start carrying on the dialogue with the American people, then you have no chance to build towards a better future. ". I can't get excited about "start carrying on the dialogue" of something that has been an issue for about 80 years. My vote for Wyden won't be affected by his decision not to cosponsor it.

Sanders is leading this and didn't ask me if he should release it. I can either get into the pool with others in support are be one of the ones trying to pull the plug. I'm generally for Universal coverage and like the idea of expanding Medicare instead of continuing to hand 1/4 of our economy over to insurance companies. And so, I support it although about as excited about this bill as I was about Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party nominee. Tepid is how I'd say I feel about it.

Sandernistas are idiots if they are all excited about this.
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Your attempt at downplaying the significance of this is funny. Sanders introduced a similar bill in 2014 and had no Democratic cosponsors. He runs for president, and becomes the most popular politician in America based on his policy positions including medicare for all. Now, all of a sudden people all over the country are supporting it. ~80% of Democrats. More Republicans support it than don't. All because of Sanders and the way he packaged it during the primary. Critics like to say he can't get anything done, so what of this? He's flipped nearly a 3rd of the Democratic caucus in 48 hours into supporting him on the record.

This shows Sanders does know how to get things done. Maybe his tactics are a little too nuanced for his critics to follow, but the results speak for themselves. And now millions more Americans might have access to healthcare because of it.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Your attempt at downplaying the significance of this is funny. Sanders introduced a similar bill in 2014 and had no Democratic cosponsors. He runs for president, and becomes the most popular politician in America based on his policy positions including medicare for all. Now, all of a sudden people all over the country are supporting it. ~80% of Democrats. More Republicans support it than don't. All because of Sanders and the way he packaged it during the primary. Critics like to say he can't get anything done, so what of this? He's flipped nearly a 3rd of the Democratic caucus in 48 hours into supporting him on the record.

This shows Sanders does know how to get things done. Maybe his tactics are a little too nuanced for his critics to follow, but the results speak for themselves. And now millions more Americans might have access to healthcare because of it.
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Yay for a symbolic bill that is not funded.

It isn't the same bill he pushed. This one is unfunded.

I said I supported it. Blow me if you don't like my tepid response.

Fealty is too much to expect for a bill that will never see the light of day.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
I dunno, but I did notice that the Democratic Senator, Mike Bennett, did not sign on. I need to make a call and let him know it will cost him my vote if he doesn't come out publicly in favor of it.
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Like this. This is what needs to happen everywhere. My response is tepid but I do support universal healthcare coverage and hope everybody lets their reps know that they want them to support this.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Yay for a symbolic bill that is not funded.

It isn't the same bill he pushed. This one is unfunded.

I said I supported it. Blow me if you don't like my tepid response.

Fealty is too much to expect for a bill that will never see the light of day.
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You don't get to support it and oppose it at the same time. Pick one. Have a little conviction.
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
Yay for a symbolic bill that is not funded.

It isn't the same bill he pushed. This one is unfunded.

I said I supported it. Blow me if you don't like my tepid response.

Fealty is too much to expect for a bill that will never see the light of day.
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tepid is as tepid does..some like it hot, fogdog.

throw those shackles of indecision to the side...and riiiiiiiiiiise!

be a part of something where you can say 'fuck yeah!' with conviction!

you're afraid of making the wrong choice, but my friend, no matter how old or careful you are, it still happens..you must accept this or you'll just continue to be paralyzed in other areas of your life..further, your chronic indecision can be a sign of depression, too.
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
Your attempt at downplaying the significance of this is funny. Sanders introduced a similar bill in 2014 and had no Democratic cosponsors. He runs for president, and becomes the most popular politician in America based on his policy positions including medicare for all. Now, all of a sudden people all over the country are supporting it. ~80% of Democrats. More Republicans support it than don't. All because of Sanders and the way he packaged it during the primary. Critics like to say he can't get anything done, so what of this? He's flipped nearly a 3rd of the Democratic caucus in 48 hours into supporting him on the record.

This shows Sanders does know how to get things done. Maybe his tactics are a little too nuanced for his critics to follow, but the results speak for themselves. And now millions more Americans might have access to healthcare because of it.
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'the resistance'..or some derivative thereof will be new third party.
 
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