Insanely Concentrated Wealth Is Strangling Our Prosperity

Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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ttystikk said:
High taxes would encourage that investment to remain as an investment. Lower tax than wages means that HNW individuals get a break vs those who work.
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If it stays as an investment then there are no taxes here, not sure about US, so that's not the answer IMO. Your right about tax equity being unfair but net worth can not be used in the conversation when it should be based on income not worth IMO. Again i don't think a million dollars net worth means well off in a lot of cases, that could be your home that you bought in 1980 but you still have to live in it. It's a complicated issue putting it lightly lol.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Budley Doright said:
If it stays as an investment then there are no taxes here, not sure about US, so that's not the answer IMO. Your right about tax equity being unfair but net worth can not be used in the conversation when it should be based on income not worth IMO. Again i don't think a million dollars net worth means well off in a lot of cases, that could be your home that you bought in 1980 but you still have to live in it. It's a complicated issue putting it lightly lol.
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I'm talking about taxing disbursements, not equity. Yes, asset inflation is part of the problem, it's magnified the distance between such and poor.
 
see4

see4

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ttystikk said:
Sure you did... Let's hear the best you can do. Unless that's it?
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Ok sweetie. I will hold your hand through this process.

As I've mentioned many times before, we need to fix underlying problems within our political process before we can begin to repair our continually eroding democracy.

We need to rethink the Electoral College, we need to reverse Citizens United and pass legislation that eliminates large donations to campaigns and consider putting a cap on all campaigns. Candidates who become politicians need to be held accountable. That can only be achieved by allowing every citizen to vote and enabling them to do so. Gerrymandering rules need to be abolished. I could go on, but like I said, I've talked about this several times in the past. Sorry, not sorry, you are either too feeble minded to remember or too stoned.

Not one Republican candidate/representative has spoke out on any of the issues above. Neither has Trump, and neither has Bernie. Hillary has, hashtag, justsayin.

The healthcare and other free shit debate that Bernie proposes is a distraction. Feebs* get distracted by it, like a dog chasing a squirrel. Like a Republican to a Trump tweet.

And getting back to the premise of this thread, we won't be able to fix income inequality until we fix the underlying problem. Why? Because we won't be able to elect the right people to make those sort of changes. Why? Because money flows through politics like semen through a two dollar whore. Hashtag, justsayin.

* - Short for Feeble minded.
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

Dr.Amber Trichome

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Wow so many problems! It's such a complicated mess! I wish we had stronger more positive leadership. I really enjoy reading the dialogue here, it's great to hear it here, I enjoy the different view points.
 
see4

see4

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st0wandgrow said:
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I will stand corrected when you cite when Bernie has argued to end Citizens United.

ttystikk said:
(and neither has Bernie)

I know, right?

He's got the rest right, though.

I think the place to start is ending the flow of money into politics.
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Please cite, when has Bernie argued to end Citizens United?

This has NEVER been a part of Bernie's platform. It was, however, an agenda of Hillary's, and of the Democrats.
 
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travisw

travisw

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see4 said:
Please cite, when has Bernie argued to end Citizens United?

This has NEVER been a part of Bernie's platform. It was, however, an agenda of Hillary's, and of the Democrats.
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see4 said:
I stand 'slightly' corrected. He did mention it and I suppose he made a campaign promise, but it was never a talking point for him.
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Brothers and sisters, this election is about overturning Citizens United, one of the worst Supreme Court decisions in the history of our country.
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/25/487426056/read-bernie-sanders-prepared-remarks-at-the-dnc

"No nominee of mine to the United States Supreme Court will get that job unless he or she is loud and clear that one of their first orders of business will be to overturn Citizens United," Sanders said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/politics/bernie-sanders-chicago-koch-brothers-scotus/index.html

That is why we must overturn, through a constitutional amendment, the disastrous Citizens United Supreme Court decision as well as the Buckley v. Valeo decision.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-in-politics/



Short of Bernie coming to your house and telling you personally, what else do you need to see?
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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see4 said:
I stand 'slightly' corrected. He did mention it and I suppose he made a campaign promise, but it was never a talking point for him.
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travisw said:
Brothers and sisters, this election is about overturning Citizens United, one of the worst Supreme Court decisions in the history of our country.
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/25/487426056/read-bernie-sanders-prepared-remarks-at-the-dnc

"No nominee of mine to the United States Supreme Court will get that job unless he or she is loud and clear that one of their first orders of business will be to overturn Citizens United," Sanders said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/politics/bernie-sanders-chicago-koch-brothers-scotus/index.html

That is why we must overturn, through a constitutional amendment, the disastrous Citizens United Supreme Court decision as well as the Buckley v. Valeo decision.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-in-politics/



Short of Bernie coming to your house and telling you personally, what else do you need to see?
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^He talked about it non stop^

It was literally one of the pillars of his platform. Aside from his Medicare for all bit, I can't think of something that he harped on more than campaign finance reform and repealing CU.

Hillary on the other hand....one could actually make an argument that she is responsible for the Citizens United ruling in the first place! A non-profit group made a documentary film during the run-up to the 2008 election called "Hillary: The Movie", that was not very flattering towards her, and she complained to the FEC, and in turn they blocked its release stating that it violated some obscure election rule, and presto! Citizens United was born, which went all the way to the Supreme Court, and we now have that very ruling perverting our elections.
 
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schuylaar

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travisw said:
Brothers and sisters, this election is about overturning Citizens United, one of the worst Supreme Court decisions in the history of our country.
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/25/487426056/read-bernie-sanders-prepared-remarks-at-the-dnc

"No nominee of mine to the United States Supreme Court will get that job unless he or she is loud and clear that one of their first orders of business will be to overturn Citizens United," Sanders said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/politics/bernie-sanders-chicago-koch-brothers-scotus/index.html

That is why we must overturn, through a constitutional amendment, the disastrous Citizens United Supreme Court decision as well as the Buckley v. Valeo decision.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/money-in-politics/



Short of Bernie coming to your house and telling you personally, what else do you need to see?
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you'd think our members were russian bots by the bullshit they spread.

notice how i called it bullshit? we're going back to this..no more renaming ie fake news.
 
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schuylaar

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st0wandgrow said:
^He talked about it non stop^

It was literally one of the pillars of his platform. Aside from his Medicare for all bit, I can't think of something that he harped on more than campaign finance reform and repealing CU.

Hillary on the other hand....one could actually make an argument that she is responsible for the Citizens United ruling in the first place! A non-profit group made a documentary film during the run-up to the 2008 election called "Hillary: The Movie", that was not very flattering towards her, and she complained to the FEC, and in turn they blocked its release stating that it violated some obscure election rule, and presto! Citizens United was born, which went all the way to the Supreme Court, and we now have that very ruling perverting our elections.
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repeal. no replace.
 
see4

see4

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This tax plan won't get passed into law. If it does, Republicans can kiss their house and congress seats goodbye. Trump's seat is all but gone. If not, this country is far dumber than I thought, and there is honestly no hope.

This tax plan is an absolute slap in the face of literally anyone making less than $200,000 a year. Which constitutes something like, ohh, I don't know... 96% of the nation.

I make more than that and I think this tax plan is fucking garbage. And it benefits me.
 
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