Insanely Concentrated Wealth Is Strangling Our Prosperity

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
Oh man, you completely missed my point.

Bernie was the guy who promised what couldn't be delivered and when he lost, it infuriated the people who bought that. I chose Bernie because I thought he was better than Clinton. When he lost, I took a harder look at Clinton and realized that I had been fooled by all the propaganda out there. I solicited a list of complaints about Clinton on this forum and went through that list issue by issue. I realized that I had been had. Practically all the shit said about her was false.

Then Bernie's babies lost me when they turned their ire on the Democratic party. "rigged", "DNC collusion", stolen. Nope, not a shred of fact there. And to this day you keep grinding the organ.

Go start your third party already. Bernie isn't reaching out to the groups in the Democratic party that caused him to lose the primary. He can't win the nomination of the Democratic Party in 2020 without them. He's courting the weak white liberal who is "tired" of identity politics and as @ttystikk says, thinks racism will go away if we stop talking about it. (thanks for that gem, tty). The soft white liberals who were completely taken in by right wing divisive propaganda about Clinton are not worth a bucket of warm spit. So go away already.

Those "screeching" black men and women who deal with more adversity every day than you do are tougher than you, more pragmatic too and saw Bernie for what he is before I did. I'll give them credit for that.
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Another thing the Bernard fad caused was that valid criticism of Clinton went largely ignored, drowned out by the fake shit. These gringos who support Bernard all gung-ho are quick to "yeah but Clinton" when you bring up any of the myriad flaws in their savior but lack substance when criticizing others. It's the worst kind of sheepdoggery, like encouraging group stupidity regarding pretty much every subject they visit.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
Another thing the Bernard fad caused was that valid criticism of Clinton went largely ignored, drowned out by the fake shit. These gringos who support Bernard all gung-ho are quick to "yeah but Clinton" when you bring up any of the myriad flaws in their savior but lack substance when criticizing others. It's the worst kind of sheepdoggery, like encouraging group stupidity regarding pretty much every subject they visit.
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Your complaints about Clinton were not false. She is/was a warhawk who wasn't going to correct this country's course in the Middle East. And yes, she is/was the status quo candidate who was not going to bring the country along the path towards greater economic justice. I can't deny that. For me, it was the pragmatic choice of Trump or Clinton.

Sanders wasn't any better than Clinton when it came to the US's involvement in the Middle East so fuck off Sandernistas. You lose there too.

What I had not realized until recently was how white Sanders' policies are. Social justice issues are invisible to him. He was definitely worse than the already bad Clinton. Both were leagues better than Trump but that's a low bar to clear.
 
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see4

see4

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Bernie is the most popular candidate to ever grace this Earth with his presence. The chosen enlightened one has fallen upon us. As we all bow in his almighty presence, let him win thy election without a party affiliation. As he does not need one, as he is the chosen angel destined to give us all free shit and make all the rich folk pay for it.

That's literally what you asshats sound like. Except you are crying about the DNC stealing it all away. That's how fucking stupid you sound.

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Stop it. Get over it. Move on. Get Trump and Republicans out of office. Unfortunately it's too late for Bernie. Citizens United and gerrymandering are here to stay, at least for another generation. Thanks Berniebabies.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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see4 said:
Bernie is the most popular candidate to ever grace this Earth with his presence. The chosen enlightened one has fallen upon us. As we all bow in his almighty presence, let him win thy election without a party affiliation. As he does not need one, as he is the chosen angel destined to give us all free shit and make all the rich folk pay for it.

That's literally what you asshats sound like. Except you are crying about the DNC stealing it all away. That's how fucking stupid you sound.

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Stop it. Get over it. Move on. Get Trump and Republicans out of office. Unfortunately it's too late for Bernie. Citizens United and gerrymandering are here to stay, at least for another generation. Thanks Berniebabies.
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You're the one doing all the crying...
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Debt will be the cause of the next economic Crash- just like it's been the cause of all the previous ones;

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232423
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I always come to Roll It Up for my investment advice. That was a great post tty!!!!!!!!!!

You realize that every day of the week, every week of every year, somebody is saying exactly the same thing. You could take two stroke's advice and put it all in pennies if you like.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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see4 said:
1. That article was a rambling of nonsense and crying.
2. What debt specifically are you referring to?
3. What previous crashes are you referring to?
4. Put down the pipe and join us in reality for a moment.
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1. It was poorly organized.
2. Total debt is bigger than it's ever been, by nearly any measure. Government, corporate, private debt.
3. The dates in the article were accurate; Including but not limited to 1929, 2000 and 2008.
4. Derp.

Reality:
Both income and wealth inequality are higher than at any point in American history. When things are unsustainable, they crash. We're overdue. The current administration is either unaware or just doesn't care; the Chump himself has praised recessions because it gives him a chance to go bargain hunting- clearly, the situation of the average American citizen does not concern him.

Housing is unaffordable for vast deaths of Americans and it's getting worse.

Incomes are shrinking.

Inflation is accelerating.

The government is doing all it can to hide these trends.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
1. It was poorly organized.
2. Total debt is bigger than it's ever been, by nearly any measure. Government, corporate, private debt.
3. The dates in the article were accurate; Including but not limited to 1929, 2000 and 2008.
4. Derp.

Reality:
Both income and wealth inequality are higher than at any point in American history. When things are unsustainable, they crash. We're overdue. The current administration is either unaware or just doesn't care; the Chump himself has praised recessions because it gives him a chance to go bargain hunting- clearly, the situation of the average American citizen does not concern him.

Housing is unaffordable for vast deaths of Americans and it's getting worse.

Incomes are shrinking.

Inflation is accelerating.

The government is doing all it can to hide these trends.
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no it's not.

Household debt is not higher than in 2008 when adjusted for inflation. Not by a long shot. It is higher than it should be by any earlier generation's standards. But not a crisis.

Incomes are going up, not down. Not rising fast enough given that we are in a recovery period when wages should be rising faster than they are. But, incomes are going up, not down.

Inflation is low

The sky is not falling. We have long term chronic trends towards wealth inequality that is killing the middle class of the nation, I don't deny. As AC keeps telling you and explained quite well in a post not too long ago, the national debt doesn't matter.

Not saying we don't have issues to deal with. Am completely in agreement with you that taxation and economic policies must change. Totally agree that the Republican government is not going to address them. Completely boggled that you continue to talk as if Democrats were the problem.

edit: I forgot to add

derp
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
no it's not.

Household debt is not higher than in 2008 when adjusted for inflation. Not by a long shot. It is higher than it should be by any earlier generation's standards. But not a crisis.

Incomes are going up, not down. Not rising fast enough given that we are in a recovery period when wages should be rising faster than they are. But, incomes are going up, not down.

Inflation is low

The sky is not falling. We have long term chronic trends towards wealth inequality that is killing the middle class of the nation, I don't deny. As AC keeps telling you and explained quite well in a post not too long ago, the national debt doesn't matter.

Not saying we don't have issues to deal with. Am completely in agreement with you that taxation and economic policies must change. Totally agree that the Republican government is not going to address them. Completely boggled that you continue to talk as if Democrats were the problem.

edit: I forgot to add

derp
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Have you noticed how much more the average American house is worth than it was 5 or 8 years ago? Asset inflation. Leading to higher mortgages, held aloft by historically low interest rates. That debt. Not fucking credit cards.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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ttystikk said:
Have you noticed how much more the average American house is worth than it was 5 or 8 years ago? Asset inflation. Leading to higher mortgages, held aloft by historically low interest rates. That debt. Not fucking credit cards.
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What does that have to do with your previous assertion that "national debt will cause the next crisis", or however you worded your absurd idea brought to you by "nakedcapitalism" or some other economic fear-monger rag from the far right of ancap fallacy?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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abandonconflict said:
What does that have to do with your previous assertion that "national debt will cause the next crisis", or however you worded your absurd idea brought to you by "nakedcapitalism" or some other economic fear-monger rag from the far right of ancap fallacy?
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It doesn't matter what I say to you, your game is to discredit. Juvenile.

It's time for you to get your own education in economics. Go do your own homework, for once in your political life.
 
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