Fogdog
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NaiveYou voted for establishment Democrats, which means you voted for the exact same thing
NaiveYou voted for establishment Democrats, which means you voted for the exact same thing
You understand that doesn't negate the point, right?Naive
Its naive to claim Democrats and Republicans are the same.You understand that doesn't negate the point, right?
If you don't think special interests control policy, on both sides of the aisle, you're the one that's naive
That's not what I saidIts naive to claim Democrats and Republicans are the same.
Your point is not valid.
Its exactly what you said.That's not what I said
You just created a strawman
Anything that works against Pad is an ipso facto strawman.Its exactly what you said.
"You voted for establishment Democrats, which means you voted for the exact same thing"
It is naive to say Republicans and Democrats are the same thing.
Establishment Democrats vote in the interest of the 1%Its exactly what you said.
"You voted for establishment Democrats, which means you voted for the exact same thing"
It is naive to say Republicans and Democrats are the same thing.
Was Obamacare purely in the interest of the 1%? What about refusing to cut, and even trying to expand medicaid? I agree with you that Democrats can be corrupt, but the Dem establishment doesn't seem so bad in reality.Establishment Democrats vote in the interest of the 1%
You don't deny that both the Dems and Repubs accept large donations from corporate America though, right?Its exactly what you said.
"You voted for establishment Democrats, which means you voted for the exact same thing"
It is naive to say Republicans and Democrats are the same thing.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/us/politics/medicare-and-medicaid-face-320-billion-in-cuts-over-10-years.htmlWas Obamacare purely in the interest of the 1%? What about refusing to cut, and even trying to expand medicaid? I agree with you that Democrats can be corrupt, but the Dem establishment doesn't seem so bad in reality.
We need and want those corporations to grow and succeed. We need politicians that speak sense to them about sustainability and long-term growth; maintaining success by not shitting where you eat.You don't deny that both the Dems and Repubs accept large donations from corporate America though, right?
We do, but we don't need our elected leaders in their pocket to the extent that they end up doing the bidding of those corporations over what's best for the average American.We need and want those corporations to grow and succeed. We need politicians that speak sense to them about sustainability and long-term growth; maintaining success by not shitting where you eat.
Its naive to say Democrats and Republicans are the same.You don't deny that both the Dems and Repubs accept large donations from corporate America though, right?
Why do you think he proposed that 3% cut? Pragmatism? Fiscal responsibility? Politics? I don't think I support that proposal but I'm willing to hear the pro argument. Did it pass? Because I'm pretty sure the ACA and a 10 year expansion of medicaid passed.
I'm just saying that the Dems aren't without blame either. Clinton signed in to law welfare reform as well "the personal responsibility act"!Why do you think he proposed that 3% cut? Pragmatism? Fiscal responsibility? Politics? I don't think I support that proposal but I'm willing to hear the pro argument. Did it pass? Because I'm pretty sure the ACA and a 10 year expansion of medicaid passed.
I much prefer Dems today over Dems of the 1990s. Times change, parties change. We can't fall for the bullshit like dumbfuck @twostrokenut who still thinks it's 1860 and Republicans were the southern, white, christian conservatives that ended slavery.I'm just saying that the Dems aren't without blame either. Clinton signed in to law welfare reform as well "the personal responsibility act"!
But yeah, I prefer the Dems over the Repubs as well. I just wish there were more daylight between the two
Notice how you just got a like from a literal nazi?You voted for establishment Democrats, which means you voted for the exact same thing
That's literally exactly what you saidThat's not what I said
Except obamacare, the ARRA, dodd frank, payroll tax cut, and more.Establishment Democrats vote in the interest of the 1%