Fogdog
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Naive
George Clooney believes Hillary Clinton wasn't the right fit for President
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Padawanbater2
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You understand that doesn't negate the point, right?
If you don't think special interests control policy, on both sides of the aisle, you're the one that's naive
Fogdog
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Its naive to claim Democrats and Republicans are the same.
Your point is not valid.
Padawanbater2
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That's not what I said
You just created a strawman
Fogdog
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Its exactly what you said.
"You voted for establishment Democrats, which means you voted for the exact same thing"
It is naive to say Republicans and Democrats are the same thing.
Unclebaldrick
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Anything that works against Pad is an ipso facto strawman.
Padawanbater2
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Establishment Democrats vote in the interest of the 1%
PCXV
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Was Obamacare purely in the interest of the 1%? What about refusing to cut, and even trying to expand medicaid? I agree with you that Democrats can be corrupt, but the Dem establishment doesn't seem so bad in reality.
st0wandgrow
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You don't deny that both the Dems and Repubs accept large donations from corporate America though, right?
PCXV
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We need and want those corporations to grow and succeed. We need politicians that speak sense to them about sustainability and long-term growth; maintaining success by not shitting where you eat.
st0wandgrow
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We do, but we don't need our elected leaders in their pocket to the extent that they end up doing the bidding of those corporations over what's best for the average American.
Fogdog
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Its naive to say Democrats and Republicans are the same.
PCXV
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Why do you think he proposed that 3% cut? Pragmatism? Fiscal responsibility? Politics? I don't think I support that proposal but I'm willing to hear the pro argument. Did it pass? Because I'm pretty sure the ACA and a 10 year expansion of medicaid passed.
st0wandgrow
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I'm just saying that the Dems aren't without blame either. Clinton signed in to law welfare reform as well "the personal responsibility act"!
But yeah, I prefer the Dems over the Repubs as well. I just wish there were more daylight between the two
PCXV
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I much prefer Dems today over Dems of the 1990s. Times change, parties change. We can't fall for the bullshit like dumbfuck @twostrokenut who still thinks it's 1860 and Republicans were the southern, white, christian conservatives that ended slavery.
UncleBuck
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Notice how you just got a like from a literal nazi?
UncleBuck
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That's literally exactly what you said
You even said 'exact same' you fucking retard.
UncleBuck
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Except obamacare, the ARRA, dodd frank, payroll tax cut, and more.
You naive racist child.