How will Canada’s new drugged-driving rules actually work?

[A.K.A. Overgrowem]

puts anyone who uses MMJ on full disability if criminal impairment is 5 ngs lol!

2 ngs. the way I read it.

 

[dienowk]

that's what you think but it is far from what really occurs.
no one that smokes pot THINKS or FEELS they are safe when they are not!
Its not the same when drinking is involved and ANYONE KNOWS THIS if they have been there and done that ..eh...

left field thinkers

I agree, cannabis use does not increase risk taking behavior, it's not like alcohol. They seem to think that when we use it we suddenly become crazy and unable to determine how functional we are, yet I can legally pop 8mg of lorazepam, feel I am the safest driver in the world and drive because all anxiety that tells me not to do that is gone along with my ability to quickly react.

That is precisely why no standard level of impairment is possible. I get up between 4 & 5 every morning and have a coffee and medicate. I smoke all day long and go about my business whether it be work or something else. I tend to wait 20-30 minutes after smoking to drive on the roads, but I'll toke while I'm driving the vehicles and equipment in the camp. Others like you are affected differently. There is no 'one size fits all' solution.
As an arthritis and chronic pain sufferer, I would be far more impaired by my disability than I am by cannabis.

Exactly, I have known people who I would trust my children in the car with if they had smoked 30 minutes before heading out the door to drive despite the fact that I would not be willing to drive.

It's going to be at least a few ugly years after legalization before these limits possibly change to limits based on science rather than trying to arrest people and collect fines. I hope that at some point if they insist on keeping a limit rather than just basing it on impairment, that the limit changes to the limits that USADA uses for in competition testing of athletes, their 150ng/ml in urine was a number they chose based on science rather than an arbitrary number picked out of the sky by someone with no medical or science background.

 

[TacoMac]

that's what you think but it is far from what really occurs.

The jails are FULL of people that think that.

People who lord pot as not effecting them are just like the drunks who swear they're not drunk.

The fact is that marijuana in studies has proven to affect driving skills for up to 3 hours after smoking. In study after study after study from the 60's and 70's to present day the results have always been the same.

Not surprisingly, people who drink to much and smoke too much dope keep on claiming it doesn't affect them.

Also not surprisingly, they keep going to jail.

 

[VIANARCHRIS]

I hope that at some point if they insist on keeping a limit rather than just basing it on impairment, that the limit changes to the limits that USADA uses for in competition testing of athletes, their 150ng/ml in urine was a number they chose based on science rather than an arbitrary number picked out of the sky by someone with no medical or science background.

Because it stays in your system and accumulates with heavy use, and it affects every one a little differently,I don't think it will ever be possible. But I'm one of those with no medical or science background, so someone with some smarts might figure out a way.
I'd like to volunteer for an experiment to test my driving and cognitive skills before and after smoking.

 

[VIANARCHRIS]

People who lord pot as not effecting them are just like the drunks who swear they're not drunk.

I've been a drunk, and I knew when I was drunk. Sometimes people make bad choices when drunk, I was no exception. Been sober for nearly 10 years, but smoke an oz/wk at minimum. I get a slight buzz, nothing more. Unlike alcohol, I retain the ability to make smart decision about such things as my ability to drive while using cannabis.

The fact is that marijuana in studies has proven to affect driving skills for up to 3 hours after smoking. In study after study after study from the 60's and 70's to present day the results have always been the same.

The key words in that sentence are "UP TO". A novice or occasional user will feel the effects stronger and they will last longer than with a regular user. A better and more accurate choice of words would have been " from 0 to 3 hours". I'm good to go within 30 mins max.

Not surprisingly, people who drink to much and smoke too much dope keep on claiming it doesn't affect them.

Again you are confusing two very different substances. Alcohol is an addictive drug and a by-product of addiction is lying to yourself and others. Cannabis is a natural stimulant with no risk physical dependence. Alcohol causes blackouts and anti-social behaviour, cannabis causes the munchies. It's like comparing oxycodone to aspirin.

 

[TacoMac]

Habitual use is not the point.

Impairing your ability to drive is.

BOTH impair your ability to drive.

BOTH will land you in jail.

 

[WHATFG]

The jails are FULL of people that think that.

People who lord pot as not effecting them are just like the drunks who swear they're not drunk.

The fact is that marijuana in studies has proven to affect driving skills for up to 3 hours after smoking. In study after study after study from the 60's and 70's to present day the results have always been the same.

Not surprisingly, people who drink to much and smoke too much dope keep on claiming it doesn't affect them.

Also not surprisingly, they keep going to jail.

Fuck you...I'm nothing like a drunk....

 

[TacoMac]

Fuck you...I'm nothing like a drunk....

Says that guy that claims pot doesn't impair your ability to drive. Um hmm. Yep. par for the course.

 

[VIANARCHRIS]

BOTH impair your ability to drive.

But one does not impair your ability to realize you are impaired. Some may still choose to drive before they should, but many, like me, possess the intelligence to make smart choices when using cannabis. I can't say that about any drunk. Having consumed does not automatically impair driving ability.

 

[WHATFG]

Says that guy that claims pot doesn't impair your ability to drive. Um hmm. Yep. par for the course.

Nobody was concerned about my impairment when I was chewing 1+ g of morphine a day...I was definitely impaired....if I feel high, I don't drive....it's like the little sticker on the bottle of morphine says...use caution when operating a motor vehicle....you're a dick.

 

[TacoMac]

But one does not impair your ability to realize you are impaired.

Obviously, it does...or nobody would be getting cited for it and we're not having this conversation.

 

[CalyxCrusher]

Obviously, it does...or nobody would be getting cited for it and we're not having this conversation.

So instead of having someone challenge your ideals in discussion youd rather be dismissive and shut someone down. Seems like something a rational adult would do...............

So explain how exactly "obviously it does" instead of merely stating so. Pretty simple.

 

[TacoMac]

I'm stating fact. Nothing more.

Science proves it impairs you.

The law proves people over do it and drive impaired.

Him saying that never happens to any pot smokers ever because they're all very responsible, knowledgeable people is off the charts stupid.

 

[CalyxCrusher]

I'm stating fact. Nothing more.

Science proves it impairs you.

The law proves people over do it and drive impaired.

Him saying that never happens to any pot smokers ever because they're all very responsible, knowledgeable people is off the charts stupid.

Coffee impairs you as well. End of discussion. Move along folks

Pretty fucking dumb logic huh? How does it impair people? What level is considered impairment? Im not arguing your end point. Im arguing your childish fucking logic. If you want to argue a point, provide more facts than simply stating so. Or are you too sensitive to have your views challenged?

 

[VIANARCHRIS]

Obviously, it does...or nobody would be getting cited for it and we're not having this conversation.

I'll tell you a true story. I related it on here years ago when it happened. My son and his girlfriend had come to visit and we smoked a couple of joints while he was there. I lived in a rural area that had been having issues with unlicensed vehicles using the roads, so the RCMP had set up a roadblock about 300 feet from my driveway. They stopped my kid for the hell of it, smelled weed and he admitted to having just smoked a couple. They had him do the roadside sobriety tests, handed him back his license and told him to have a nice day. If he had been impaired they would have charged him.

Him saying that never happens to any pot smokers ever because they're all very responsible, knowledgeable people is off the charts stupid.

But that is NOT what I said.... I said "Some may still choose to drive before they should, but many, like me, possess the intelligence to make smart choices when using cannabis." If you are going to attribute comments to me, make sure you get them right.

 

[greg nr]

I'm stating fact. Nothing more.

Science proves it impairs you.

The law proves people over do it and drive impaired.

Him saying that never happens to any pot smokers ever because they're all very responsible, knowledgeable people is off the charts stupid.

Science says nothing about a specific level of thc / metabolites in your system that will impair a typical driver however. Is that 2ng, 5 ng, or 25 ng? And is that a base level or an increase over base level?

Alcohol is very well studied. There is empirical evidence to say that .1, a typical driver will be impaired. That doesn't exist for the 2 or 5 ng levels.

It's not an argument that people who smoke/consume cannabis should or shouldn't drive impaired, or that they are or aren't impaired, it's all about the lack of scientific standards that will determine when a typical person would be impaired.

If you can say with a 95% confidence level that 5 ng is an impaired level, than the regs may be appropriate. But they aren't even trying to say it is a scientific level; all they are saying is it is a detectable level. And pot is, like, bad, awkay.

 

[gb123]

The jails are FULL of people that think that.

People who lord pot as not effecting them are just like the drunks who swear they're not drunk.

The fact is that marijuana in studies has proven to affect driving skills for up to 3 hours after smoking. In study after study after study from the 60's and 70's to present day the results have always been the same.

Not surprisingly, people who drink to much and smoke too much dope keep on claiming it doesn't affect them.

Also not surprisingly, they keep going to jail.

I don't drink and I don't smoke either. I'm not one who feels they are invincible after smoking ...
but I know fact from fiction and prohibition attitudes with ulterior motives when I see em eh

next!

 

[gb123]

Habitual use is not the point.

Impairing your ability to drive is.

BOTH impair your ability to drive.

BOTH will land you in jail.

like Id say to the cop..
The only thing impaired in this situation is your lack of knowledge and understanding, Son!

 

[TacoMac]

Science says nothing about a specific level of thc / metabolites in your system that will impair a typical driver

I never once claimed that it did. In fact, I've stated very, very clearly on MULTIPLE occasions that the levels are something unknown. A large part of that is that there was never a reason to do studies on exact levels due to the fact that the drug was (and mostly still is) illegal.

I'm simply stated science DOES PROVE IT IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY TO DRIVE.

I've stated that very, very clearly over and over again and all you pot fiends keep replying is that it doesn't bother you at all, that you're perfect citizens and can handle your dope and that most people are and that pot has no effects and isn't anything like alcohol and blah, blah, frikitty blah.

You people make far, far more excuses than the damn drunks do.

You're wrong. Everything on the planet outside of your mind proves you wrong.

 

[gb123]

you over blow yourself..