Yes amazon is cool..ive gotten my foliage pro through amazon and it came through fine, no solids, crystals...im just personally paranoid about it because ive repeatedly bought bottles that were no good
Tips for Dyna Grow Foliage Pro in soil
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gjs4786
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I got my DG from amazon in 14 hours cause it was like 5 bucks for next day shipping. It has so far been the best purchase I have made for my grow, not to play down the importance of other items I've purchased, lol. They just didn't have the instant gratification that DG gives after you notice the difference 24 hours after feeding...
polishpollack
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The only problem with dynagro is they put so much stuff in the bottle that you can't leave it around for a long time and expect it to be good. The calcium and phosphorus bind together and drift to the bottom of the container, making each other useless. You have to buy a new bottle every few months to make sure it's good stuff.
gjs4786
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I've read more times than I can count people encountering this issue, so I figure its only a matter of time for me. So, i went ahead and sent them an email asking for details about this, and if it really calls for a replacement, or if its normal. I'll post their response when I get it. I had to ask them because I can't imagine it being such a common issue without them doing something about it unless it's actually normal and easily remedied. The only thing their website says is: Properly stored (cool environment, out of direct sunlight, Dyna-Gro™ nutrients have a very long shelf lives. However, both Root-Gel® and K-L-N Concentrate™ begin to lose their efficacy after 12 months.
So I'd guess it's good for 2 years at least.
Hotwired
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I use Protekt and Foliage Pro during veg with r/o water in a soilless mix. 200 ppm week 1 thru 600 ppm week 4. I use the Magpro to get the ph down to 6.5. Just 1 ml per gallon does the trick from 7.5 to 6.5. No ph down needed.
For bloom I use Protekt, Bloom and Grow for the first 4 weeks. 2.5 Protect, 5 Bloom and 5 Grow for about 600 ppm. Week 5 and 6 I add some Magpro but I need a bit more ph Up when doing so. Leaves stay nice and healthy thru the grow even tho I stop using Grow week 4.
Everything is strain dependent tho so you just have to watch.
For bloom I use Protekt, Bloom and Grow for the first 4 weeks. 2.5 Protect, 5 Bloom and 5 Grow for about 600 ppm. Week 5 and 6 I add some Magpro but I need a bit more ph Up when doing so. Leaves stay nice and healthy thru the grow even tho I stop using Grow week 4.
Everything is strain dependent tho so you just have to watch.
gjs4786
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"Hello,
Thank you for reaching out to us. The crystallization found in the Dyna-Gro nutrient formulas is caused by what we call “freezing” within the product. This happens when the temperature drops into the low 40's F. The product is not bad and can still be used.
Here is the statement found on our labels. 'Should Dyna-Gro liquid freeze, dilute the unused portion with an equal amount of hot water. Use twice as much to compensate for the dilution.'
Once the product has crystallized, it will remain that way in the bottle even when the temperatures warm up. So product that was made, shipped or stored in a warehouse during the winter months will become crystallized.
We hope you find this information helpful."
polishpollack
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I didn't know about the effect of low temps on the product, so that's new info to me. What I knew is that calcium and phosphorus have a chemical attraction to each and will form a white flaky substance called calcium phosphate that drifts to the bottom and stays there. I've seen it. In my opinion, if you want to ensure this fert is still good after a while, you need to get a new bottle. Just my 2 cents. It can be sold in small 8 ounce bottles rather than buying the bigger one. The smaller one is good if you're using potting soil because it doesn't take much fert per gallon of water to be effective. If you get the bigger container, you might waste much of it. Check amazon and ebay for the 8 ounce bottle.
polishpollack
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Nope, shaking won't work. The fert gets weaker over time as the calcium and phosphorus bind together, making each other useless. Once bound as flakes, they drift to the bottom since they have become to heavy and large to remain diluted in the solution. When this happens, in order to get the best effectiveness a person should get a new bottle. So yes, let's do the math. $10 is pretty cheap for useful fert, so spend it.
Chunky Stool
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I tried the hot water trick and some of the solids went back into solution and some did not.
If you are going to store liquid ferts for a long time it's better to just go with a 2 or 3 part like Mills A-B or GH flora.
I also like to blend different types of ferts.
For example, there's a very affordable dry fert called SeaGrow Bloom (4-26-26) that works great but doesn't have any calcium. So I add a little GH FloraMicro to balance it out.
Alaska Fish 5-1-1 is also good for creating "semi-organic" nutes that plants love!
Hotwired
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Hmmmm. I can make 16 eight oz bottles for $50 from any of the gallon sized bottles. You can buy 5 eight oz bottles for your $50. I like my math much better than yours, but to each his own.
When I go shopping at my hydro store I like to look things over. I suggest you do the same.
1) I shake the bottle well to see if I can hear anything smashing around inside.
2) My hydro shop guy wants my business. If I purchase a bottle with crap in it all I have to do is bring it back. That's what a receipt is for.
3) My gallon of nutes will last forever.
If you purchase the nutes online you can always send it back. No one is forcing you to keep a product that is faulty. Or call the company. I'm sure they will do the refund as long as you have a receipt.
Lastly, spend $50 for the gallon size and fill up 16 eight oz bottles. Then do your math again and see if it still works for you. I bet those 16 bottles stay good for a few years. I just saved you $110. But if you want to spend $160 on the same "useful" nutes then by all means please do so.
Your name fits perfectly tho
polishpollack
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That's not how to spell "though."
Soil grows with Dynagro use a small amount of fert, which means your large bottle will sit around doing nothing for a long time. It's not an issue of container size. The important issue is how fresh the nutrients are. But this fact escapes Hotwired.
Soil grows with Dynagro use a small amount of fert, which means your large bottle will sit around doing nothing for a long time. It's not an issue of container size. The important issue is how fresh the nutrients are. But this fact escapes Hotwired.
Hotwired
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Says the hypocrite who types "ferts" instead of fertilizer. But your name tells me all I need to know.
How do you know my bottle will "sit around" doing nothing for a long time? You assume much polishpollack.
Like I said, you do your math and I'll do mine. Nutes can last for years if stored right. But this fact is non existent to polishpollack.
I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here. You make no point if no one gives a shit about your complaints. Which are as follows:
1) Flakes in bottle caused by calcium and phosphorus binding together.
2) Nutes don't last long. You have to buy new ones every few months.
3) Says buying the 8 oz bottle for $10 is better than buying the 128 oz bottle for $50
So let's go over these things.
The first one happens to MANY different types of bottled nutes but it doesn't happen that often. I already explained what to do if you happen to get a bottle like this. Bring it back. 2 EZ.
The second is pure speculation. polishpollack making stuff up to please himself so he can feel safe and secure when he goes to bed at night.
The third thing is all math. Even if the 128 oz bottle went bad (cause you said it will happen so it must) after using only half the bottle, you would still have saved $30. I know you can't do the math so I'll help. Half of 128 = 64. That would be 8 eight oz bottles. That would cost you $80. I still only spent $50 for the 128 oz bottle. You still saved $30.
So polishpollack I am quite done with you. I will continue to buy and use DG "ferts" because they make me smile. I will not listen to anything else you have to say even if it's to tell me that the sky is falling.
Here is a nice smile guy just for you
dandyrandy
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This is my first run with foliage pro. I like it. I moved from Jack's which is cheaper. PH seems more stable.
polishpollack
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Hotwired, you're an angry person.
Works for me as well.Says the hypocrite who types "ferts" instead of fertilizer. But your name tells me all I need to know.
How do you know my bottle will "sit around" doing nothing for a long time? You assume much polishpollack.
Like I said, you do your math and I'll do mine. Nutes can last for years if stored right. But this fact is non existent to polishpollack.
I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here. You make no point if no one gives a shit about your complaints. Which are as follows:
1) Flakes in bottle caused by calcium and phosphorus binding together.
2) Nutes don't last long. You have to buy new ones every few months.
3) Says buying the 8 oz bottle for $10 is better than buying the 128 oz bottle for $50
So let's go over these things.
The first one happens to MANY different types of bottled nutes but it doesn't happen that often. I already explained what to do if you happen to get a bottle like this. Bring it back. 2 EZ.
The second is pure speculation. polishpollack making stuff up to please himself so he can feel safe and secure when he goes to bed at night.
The third thing is all math. Even if the 128 oz bottle went bad (cause you said it will happen so it must) after using only half the bottle, you would still have saved $30. I know you can't do the math so I'll help. Half of 128 = 64. That would be 8 eight oz bottles. That would cost you $80. I still only spent $50 for the 128 oz bottle. You still saved $30.
So polishpollack I am quite done with you. I will continue to buy and use DG "ferts" because they make me smile. I will not listen to anything else you have to say even if it's to tell me that the sky is falling.
Here is a nice smile guy just for you
Seededcrown
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I can verify that you are correct (worked for me a couple times)