Skeet Kuhn Dough
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How's the job and housing market in Colorado?
$2.00 per Gram coming soon
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Observe & Report
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Charging more than dispensaries is ballsy.
Meanwhile at SPARC in San Francisco, they have house brand "loose leaf" (a.k.a. outdoor trim) that tests at 18.2% for $70 an ounce but also real deal "Gelato Bacio (Sunset Sherbet x Thin Mint Cookies) from Mr. Sherbinksi himself" for $600 an ounce (24%). I'd link to it but the Meadow people haven't figured out how to use hyperlinks.
Observe & Report
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Cookies in San Francisco has "shake" for $40 an OZ though "top shelf shake" is $140, go figure.
https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/cookies-sf#/menu/shake
Cookies top shelf selections like Berner's Cookies, Chem91, GMO, Gelato 41, Miss USA are only $357 an OZ.
SPARC includes taxes, Cookies doesn't. According to SPARC there is a 15% excise tax and 12% sales tax and $9.25 cultivation tax per ounce.
$40 + $9.25 + $4.80 + $6 = $60.05 an oz for "shake"
$357 + $9.25 + $42.84 + $53.55 = $462.64 an oz
So you can get the "lowest quality" Cannabis (better than Mexican schwag?), for almost $2 a gram out the door in the one of the most expensive legal markets in the USA, but "top shelf" is more like $17-20 in ounce quantities.
https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/cookies-sf#/menu/shake
Cookies top shelf selections like Berner's Cookies, Chem91, GMO, Gelato 41, Miss USA are only $357 an OZ.
SPARC includes taxes, Cookies doesn't. According to SPARC there is a 15% excise tax and 12% sales tax and $9.25 cultivation tax per ounce.
$40 + $9.25 + $4.80 + $6 = $60.05 an oz for "shake"
$357 + $9.25 + $42.84 + $53.55 = $462.64 an oz
So you can get the "lowest quality" Cannabis (better than Mexican schwag?), for almost $2 a gram out the door in the one of the most expensive legal markets in the USA, but "top shelf" is more like $17-20 in ounce quantities.
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Roger A. Shrubber
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the whole 2$ a gram thing has never worried me. i knew there would be a ton of growers trying to get rich in legal states, and that 99% of them would fail. any time you get the government involved in anything, they favor big business. its easier for them, less individual people to deal with, the ones they do have to deal with already know the rules and the game. they'll always tilt the field in big businesses favor.
all they have to do is make licenses prohibitively expensive, and there's 90% of your small growers, out the door before the process even begins.
but big business doesn't care about quality, or your safety. they'll use chemicals to get rid of pests, and to get bigger yields, and if the government doesn't like it, they'll either get the law changed, or pay the fines, and keep on poisoning people with "medicine".
some people will buy their nasty shit weed, and some people won't. they'll buy from me. because i don't poison anyone. and i grow top shelf.
all they have to do is make licenses prohibitively expensive, and there's 90% of your small growers, out the door before the process even begins.
but big business doesn't care about quality, or your safety. they'll use chemicals to get rid of pests, and to get bigger yields, and if the government doesn't like it, they'll either get the law changed, or pay the fines, and keep on poisoning people with "medicine".
some people will buy their nasty shit weed, and some people won't. they'll buy from me. because i don't poison anyone. and i grow top shelf.
vostok
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Dear Vos..
I lived in Monterey, Carmel, Big Sur and PG between 1966 and 1986. No weed sold for $200 an oz in 1970. Sorry. Panama Red and Acapulco Gold were $20 an oz. in that time.
No one had good local sinsemillia before the late 1970s either. I smoked a lot of weed in my days there, and I was part of the pot scene for many years there.
My brother and I went by the name of the Pills Bros. and we partied all over NorCal. I hung out a lot in Santa Cruz, Gilroy and Elkhorn, just south of Corrolitos. Never heard of the Haze Bros. I did smoke some Purple Haze weed back around 1977 though.
Most of the better seedless bud around that time I got in or from Big Sur, Carmel Valley, or the Santa Cruz mountains for $60-80 an ounce. That was the best time for weed, before High Times ruined it and posted regional prices for weed. Then the lawyers showed up with suitcases full of money from back east and the price went up rapidly.
By 1980 it was over $100 an oz for anything local. By 1985 right before I left that area it was more like $200 an oz. I was growing my own by then though, forced into it by the high prices.
I had my seed collection then, which I still have. I read a book about the viability of freezing seeds in 1976, and I started saving seeds in the freezer at that time. I still have that collection of 38 landrace and early NorCal heirloom strains. Yah, yah no one believes it can be done. But it is true. They can be frozen for long periods of time. I grew two strains last year from my collection, and all 12 seeds that I planted germinated. I have Colombian Wacky weed seeds, as well as several strains of Colombian highland gold and lowland red. I grew them in PG one year, but they bloom and finish so late I never got a harvest. I grew them outside and the rains hit that area in October, so they never made it past November.
I also have a lot of Mexican strains by region, and a lot of seeds from the early days from Big Sur and Monterey, including come later generation Big Sur Holy Weed. Now, that was a strain of legend. Another tall tale as I have read online. But the seeds are unique; tiny and very dark purple. I grew a few of them on Southern Oregon 7 years ago and they were huge, dark purple, and bloomed really late. By October I had to harvest what was in my greenhouse because of early frost, and they were tiny buds still. That strain is said to be from Zacatecas, and it blooms late like Northern Mexican landraces did back in the day.
Anyway, amusing. My seeds are not for sale, BTW. I have seen too many people get ripped off and/or conned out of their clones, genetics, crosses, and seeds over the years. I saved these thinking that I would grow them in future, which I have over the years. Until now I have been growing medical under OMMP for a pair of lawyers, mostly their own proprietary strains. I has also been growing some of my own and ding some crosses.
Now weed is LEGAL in Oregon and I can grow 4 plants at a time here so I stopped growing medical. I could get a commercial grow license, which I looked into, but it is insane with all the requirements, permits, licenses, and costs. Not worth it. I was thinking of selling landrace weed as a boutique variety locally in Oregon, and cross my landraces with themselves to preserve the genetics. But again, commercial OLCC permits and fees are insanely high with all the requirements to grow here, even though I live in a county that allows commercial growing, I own property that is zoned for growing, and I have water rights (actually an exemption, but that is equivalent to a water right and I can pump 5,000 gallons a day for commercial use here).
So anyway... my read on this. My experience with weed in that area back in the day was that a lot of Thai was available through Ft Ord, as was hashish from the Middle East through GIs stationed in Europe. The Lebanese red was my favorite. Mexican weed was commonly smuggled up by the truckload into places like Carmel Valley, Polo Colorado (north end of Big Sur) and Greenfield. Colombian was not that common until after about 1975 there.
All the Ganja that I ever saw and smoked from South India in the 70s was seedless, which I have read was common in their method of growing and harvesting. That was the best weed I ever smoked, BTW, and I had people banging in my door for months after it ran out asking if I had any more. Sorry, looooooong gone
Sur!
I lived in Monterey, Carmel, Big Sur and PG between 1966 and 1986. No weed sold for $200 an oz in 1970. Sorry. Panama Red and Acapulco Gold were $20 an oz. in that time.
No one had good local sinsemillia before the late 1970s either. I smoked a lot of weed in my days there, and I was part of the pot scene for many years there.
My brother and I went by the name of the Pills Bros. and we partied all over NorCal. I hung out a lot in Santa Cruz, Gilroy and Elkhorn, just south of Corrolitos. Never heard of the Haze Bros. I did smoke some Purple Haze weed back around 1977 though.
Most of the better seedless bud around that time I got in or from Big Sur, Carmel Valley, or the Santa Cruz mountains for $60-80 an ounce. That was the best time for weed, before High Times ruined it and posted regional prices for weed. Then the lawyers showed up with suitcases full of money from back east and the price went up rapidly.
By 1980 it was over $100 an oz for anything local. By 1985 right before I left that area it was more like $200 an oz. I was growing my own by then though, forced into it by the high prices.
I had my seed collection then, which I still have. I read a book about the viability of freezing seeds in 1976, and I started saving seeds in the freezer at that time. I still have that collection of 38 landrace and early NorCal heirloom strains. Yah, yah no one believes it can be done. But it is true. They can be frozen for long periods of time. I grew two strains last year from my collection, and all 12 seeds that I planted germinated. I have Colombian Wacky weed seeds, as well as several strains of Colombian highland gold and lowland red. I grew them in PG one year, but they bloom and finish so late I never got a harvest. I grew them outside and the rains hit that area in October, so they never made it past November.
I also have a lot of Mexican strains by region, and a lot of seeds from the early days from Big Sur and Monterey, including come later generation Big Sur Holy Weed. Now, that was a strain of legend. Another tall tale as I have read online. But the seeds are unique; tiny and very dark purple. I grew a few of them on Southern Oregon 7 years ago and they were huge, dark purple, and bloomed really late. By October I had to harvest what was in my greenhouse because of early frost, and they were tiny buds still. That strain is said to be from Zacatecas, and it blooms late like Northern Mexican landraces did back in the day.
Anyway, amusing. My seeds are not for sale, BTW. I have seen too many people get ripped off and/or conned out of their clones, genetics, crosses, and seeds over the years. I saved these thinking that I would grow them in future, which I have over the years. Until now I have been growing medical under OMMP for a pair of lawyers, mostly their own proprietary strains. I has also been growing some of my own and ding some crosses.
Now weed is LEGAL in Oregon and I can grow 4 plants at a time here so I stopped growing medical. I could get a commercial grow license, which I looked into, but it is insane with all the requirements, permits, licenses, and costs. Not worth it. I was thinking of selling landrace weed as a boutique variety locally in Oregon, and cross my landraces with themselves to preserve the genetics. But again, commercial OLCC permits and fees are insanely high with all the requirements to grow here, even though I live in a county that allows commercial growing, I own property that is zoned for growing, and I have water rights (actually an exemption, but that is equivalent to a water right and I can pump 5,000 gallons a day for commercial use here).
So anyway... my read on this. My experience with weed in that area back in the day was that a lot of Thai was available through Ft Ord, as was hashish from the Middle East through GIs stationed in Europe. The Lebanese red was my favorite. Mexican weed was commonly smuggled up by the truckload into places like Carmel Valley, Polo Colorado (north end of Big Sur) and Greenfield. Colombian was not that common until after about 1975 there.
All the Ganja that I ever saw and smoked from South India in the 70s was seedless, which I have read was common in their method of growing and harvesting. That was the best weed I ever smoked, BTW, and I had people banging in my door for months after it ran out asking if I had any more. Sorry, looooooong gone
Sur!
Skeet Kuhn Dough
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I actually read all of this last post by @vostok . I don't always read longer posts but I found the anecdotes to be pretty interesting. But I'm posting to say this: this post REALLY makes me want to move to a Green State, especially Oregon. The thought of growing without the hassle of law enforcement jacking with me...... nice dreams.
vostok
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i POSTED THIS HERE AS THIS WAS WHAT IT WAS LIKE BACK IN THE DAY Shit ...excuse big caps
High Times did screw a lot of goodness and in the last paragraph one of my old favorite strains Kerala from south India, with Red Leb doing the rounds great stuff
just you try paying Panama Red and Acapulco Gold for $20.00 an 0z ...lol
Skeet Kuhn Dough
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You know, I never really ever got into High Times. I remember in high school when friends would bring an issue to school..... sometimes I'd skim through the pages and look at all the frosty plant pics because the only thing I could get at that age was either Mexican Brick, dirt weed, or quarters of shake (this was a small town back in the 1990s). Back then, dank was expensive as hell and much less ubiquitous.
*Edit: this was also in the Southwestern United States. None of that west coast hashplant stuff was out in my area at the time.
Miyagismokes
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My plan is there's always room for artisan.
Anybody can go buy a budweiser at the 7-11, but some people drink stout beers.
PigKiller
Active Member
https://www.apnews.com/9d36d2784bf94c7684f03b014989e17f/Marijuana-growers-turning-to-hemp-as-CBD-extract-explodes
Story on AP news site.
“Now we’re starting to look at drastic means, like destroying product. At some point, there’s no more storage for it,” Trey Willison said, who switched his operation from marijuana to hemp this season. “Whoever would have thought we’d get to the point of destroying pounds of marijuana?”
Yes the medicine that people fought for, lost their property and freedom for, some even died waiting for is to be destroyed because there just isn't enough profit in it. Is this what anyone really wanted?
It reminds me of films I've seen of the depression where milk was dumped on the ground while people went hungry.
“Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's needs, but not every man's greed.”
-Mahatma Gandhi
“We have always known that heedless self interest was bad morals, we now know that it is bad economics.”
-Franklin D. Roosevelt
“It didn´t occur to me until later that there´s another truth, very simple: greed in a good cause is still greed.”
-Stephen King
Story on AP news site.
“Now we’re starting to look at drastic means, like destroying product. At some point, there’s no more storage for it,” Trey Willison said, who switched his operation from marijuana to hemp this season. “Whoever would have thought we’d get to the point of destroying pounds of marijuana?”
Yes the medicine that people fought for, lost their property and freedom for, some even died waiting for is to be destroyed because there just isn't enough profit in it. Is this what anyone really wanted?
It reminds me of films I've seen of the depression where milk was dumped on the ground while people went hungry.
“Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's needs, but not every man's greed.”
-Mahatma Gandhi
“We have always known that heedless self interest was bad morals, we now know that it is bad economics.”
-Franklin D. Roosevelt
“It didn´t occur to me until later that there´s another truth, very simple: greed in a good cause is still greed.”
-Stephen King
ttystikk
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Coffee is priced as it is because it's a bean from a tree that produces only 1-2 kilos of coffee cherries annually. It takes 16 trees to supply one regular coffee drinker. There's also the processing. Neither of these limitations applies to cannabis.
Of course we can definitively say, why would you think it's any mystery?
ttystikk
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Tight and high as a kite.
ttystikk
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Same. Give it 3 years.$ 8+ gram here right now .i have to wonder where it will be after a year of legalization and big biz growing crap.
a mongo frog
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Thats to much. Most home growers can get it done and to patients for 4.40 a gram. The quality out door guys around the forums even less expensive then that. Legalization just made the price of marijuana just skyrocket. And its sad for everyone. Fucking government ass holes.$ 8+ gram here right now .
a mongo frog
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Have you seen the 4.40 home grown medical stuff? Go look on the lets see how frosty you can get this shit thread. Its all over.Yea that price is home grown bootleg good quality rec weed.
I have to say. Id even smoke the shit out of that trim!
Thats the shit i smoke, if i have to wait on drying plants.
Dealers put shit like that, as weight in the bag, here in Australia.
I swear we're still 20yrs off the States.