Tea ingredients

[Dmannn]

Quick question, I understand the reasoning for EWC in teas... however, I see tea recipes with every different ‘meal’ in them known to man. Can somebody explain the reasoning behind adding all these meals? In soil, I understand the reasons, but in teas I’m having troubles understanding why. Most of the minerals present in these meals are not water Soluable so I struggle to understand the reason these are used

They are attempting to create food sources for broad spectrum bacterial and fungal growth. When adding meals (ground organic matter) to a bacterial/fungal environment you are feeding the "soil" or rather root zone to exchange nutrient for sugar. This a fairly vague statement but the "gist" of what they are doing.

 

[Badfishy1]

Ok. Point taken. Has there been any research as to whether this is being achieved? I have seen multiple YouTube videos and these assholes are trying to say they are adding nutrients which I absolutely cannot see happening. Am I right in this?

 

[charface]

Finishing with the molasses is done because towards the end of flowering the plant gets stingy with the sugars it would normally exude for the microbes.

You are simply picking up the slack to feed microbes so they can do their job of freeing up nutes.
Mostly phosphorus .
I just posted this a few minutes ago somewhere else.

There is a product called mendecino honey I think.
It contains molasses not honey.

The molasses should in and of itself lend no smell or taste to the finished product.

Or else my plants would taste like guano, blood meal,
Instead it just tastes how weed tastes.

If a smell does happen it is a result of the microbes feeding the plant so it can reach its genetic potential.

Imho

 

[Dmannn]

Ok. Point taken. Has there been any research as to whether this is being achieved? I have seen multiple YouTube videos and these assholes are trying to say they are adding nutrients which I absolutely cannot see happening. Am I right in this?

absolutely

 

[charface]

Ok. Point taken. Has there been any research as to whether this is being achieved? I have seen multiple YouTube videos and these assholes are trying to say they are adding nutrients which I absolutely cannot see happening. Am I right in this?

You could absolutly add nutrients as well. Molasses has an npk value right?
Same with fish etc. If it was not all consumed in the brew process it will be available
But i think most commonly we are just making microbes and fungi

 

[Tim1987]

Finishing with the molasses is done because towards the end of flowering the plant gets stingy with the sugars it would normally exude for the microbes.

You are simply picking up the slack to feed microbes so they can do their job of freeing up nutes.
Mostly phosphorus .
I just posted this a few minutes ago somewhere else.

There is a product called mendecino honey I think.
It contains molasses not honey.

The molasses should in and of itself lend no smell or taste to the finished product.

Or else my plants would taste like guano, blood meal,
Instead it just tastes how weed tastes.

If a smell does happen it is a result of the microbes feeding the plant so it can reach its genetic potential.

Imho

I think this too.

I always wonder if sometimes the same beneficial microbes in the soil. Live on the flowers as well.
They all come from the air i suppose?

It wouldnt surprise me at all.

 

[Badfishy1]

You could absolutly add nutrients as well. Molasses has an npk value right?
Same with fish etc. If it was not all consumed in the brew process it will be available
But i think most commonly we are just making microbes and fungi

Sure it has an npk value... but that npk isn’t being broken down in a 24hr brew as it isn’t water soluable. Father Time is still undefeated m8

 

[charface]

I think this too.

I always wonder if sometimes the same beneficial microbes in the soil. Live on the flowers as well.
They all come from the air i suppose?

It wouldnt surprise me at all.

I was listening to a dude talk about certain microbes that release terps that attract others and even signal the plant. There is so much crazy shit going on its hard to fathom

 

[charface]

So

Sure it has an npk value... but that npk isn’t being broken down in a 24hr brew as it isn’t water soluable. Father Time is still undefeated m8

How about a 36 hr tea

 

[Badfishy1]

Still don’t THINK NPK is broken down that quickly. That is the reason most amendmended soils need to ‘cook’.

 

[charface]

Sure it has an npk value... but that npk isn’t being broken down in a 24hr brew as it isn’t water soluable. Father Time is still undefeated m8

Sure it has an npk value... but that npk isn’t being broken down in a 24hr brew as it isn’t water soluable. Father Time is still undefeated m8

I use hydrolyzed fish also.
And liquid kelp
As in a bottle with an npk value on it

 

[charface]

There is no such thing as a perfect brew.
If you are using products like fish, kelp,
Molasses etc. It does not all just get used perfectly in the brew and will contribute some nutrition.

 

[Tim1987]

The way i figure it.
Is its mulch.

We use mulch outside to insulate our roots. Yes definitely.
But its the thermal heat from the mulch, keeping it all healthy. Imo.
That thermal heat is coming from the beneficial bacteria feeding off, and living in the mulch.
The microbes are having a field day.
Green matter, is breaking down.

Rain or water comes along, and washes down this "tea". Thats teeming with bennies.

Imho making compost tea. Is just making the tea without a mulch.

Just my opinion, anyway.
I'll leave it there.

 

[Badfishy1]

Understand that bud. Just doesn’t seem to me that these minerals are broken down in such short amounts of time

 

[Badfishy1]

The way i figure it.
Is its mulch.

We use mulch outside to insulate our roots. Yes definitely.
But its the thermal heat from the mulch, keeping it all healthy. Imo.
That thermal heat is coming from the beneficial bacteria feeding off the mulch.
The microbes are having a field day.
Green matter, is breaking down.

Rain or water comes along, and washes down this "tea". Thats teeming with bennies.

Imho making compost tea. Is just making the tea without a mulch.

Just my opinion, anyway.
I'll leave it there.

And I understand what you are saying. But this heat is causing the minerals to become usable. Meaning they are on their way or broken down before the water delivers to roots

 

[charface]

Understand that bud. Just doesn’t seem to me that these minerals are broken down in such short amounts of time

They are broken down and available in liquid form at the time of purchase.

Its simple.

 

[Badfishy1]

Also, not trying to be contrarian or ‘argue’ with anybody. I truly appreciate the responses, just trying to better understand

 

[charface]

Also, not trying to be contrarian or ‘argue’ with anybody. I truly appreciate the responses, just trying to better understand

No your not. Lol

 

[Badfishy1]

They are broken down and available in liquid form at the time of purchase.

Its simple.

Ok. So the liquid fish hydrosolate and liquid kelp are. Still sticking by your guns that the ‘meals’ are too?

 

[charface]

Ok. So the liquid fish hydrosolate and liquid kelp are. Still sticking by your guns that the ‘meals’ are too?

Yes, to a certain extent