'Active Duty Discharge' The military is purging experienced personnel on flimsy excuses

[Unclebaldrick]

I have said it many times here and once again for your benefit; I volunteered for the army when I was 18 and was rejected due to poor eyesight.

It would have been a great experience for me, just as it was for my father, and it would have taught the obnoxious young punk that I was some badly needed discipline and direction.

If you go back and carefully read my posts you will find that I never, ever denigrate those who serve. I'm tough on the organization (all of them, as needed), I'm highly critical of the people and motives who send them into harm's way and I'm even harsh on those in uniform who dishonor themselves and their country... but never, ever do I disrespect those wearing the uniform, doing their job as best they can- or those who ever did. That holds true even if I disagree with their political stance, party affiliation or point of view.

If you can find any exception, feel free to call me on it.

Actually I seem to recall you casting shade on any politician with military service.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Did you try clicking on ramblingsfromauselessidealist.net ?

It was meant to be obvious that I was exaggerating your predilection for copy and past posts. I should know better.

Nice job on the writing. You did good work and should be proud. I'd put a star on the paper if I could.

Hey, I am sorry to disagree but his post fails in multiple ways.

What evidence has he given? He claims the military is discharging active duty soldiers. How many? Which ones? How do the numbers compare to previous years? Who is making these decisions? On what criteria?

Fact 1: Patriot bill passed by both parties.
Fact 2: the Scotus decided something.
Oh, and half a fact for "the military budget is large"

That's all folks. Everything else is bare assertion.

The sad part is, he might be right. If he is, it's an accident. This fails to live up to any standard, journalistic or academic. We should all reassess our standards for evidence if we accept this jolly obfuscation as information.

 

[Fogdog]

Yeah. They really fell apart in Stalingrad.

Until then I will agree with your assessment. Stalin under equipped them and purged the best military leadership because he was afraid of their potential threat to his power. It almost cost him his job, his country and his life.

I do occasionally wonder how the world would have been different if Patton turned east at Berlin and did what had to be done to wipe out the Stalinists.

Occupation of Europe AND the entirety of Soviet Union?

Nope. The people of the US didn't want to tangle with USSR. At the end of WW2, people in the US saw Soviets and Chinese as allies.

 

[Fogdog]

Hey, I am sorry to disagree but his post fails in multiple ways.

What evidence has he given? He claims the military is discharging active duty soldiers. How many? Which ones? How do the numbers compare to previous years?

Fact 1: Patriot bill passed by both parties.
Fact 2: the Scotus decided something.

That's all folks. Everything else is bare assertion.

The sad part is, he might be right. If he is, it's an accident. This fails to live up to any standard, journalistic or acedemic. We should all reassess our standards for evidence if we accept this jolly obfuscation as information.

Agree if we were talking about a high school senior writing assignment. Probably D+ is a bit harsh. I think maybe a C.

For a five year old, that was well written. I give pat on head and star.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Agree if we were talking about a high school senior writing assignment. Probably D+ is a bit harsh. I think maybe a C.

For a five year old, that was well written. I give pat on head and star.

I was grading at a college level. I TAed for a couple of years and that's what I would have given him.

 

[Fogdog]

I was grading at a college level. I TAed for a couple of years and that's what I would have given him.

College? Did tty go to college?

Well then, I'd give:

D with a warning that continuing to work at that level would mean a failing grade.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

College? Did tty go to college?

Well then, I'd give:

D with a warning that continuing to work at that level would mean a failing grade.

Weak shit at any level. He'll call me a clown and a ballwasher though and stick to his guns that he made a logical argument. Tty talking about logic is like a sea slug discussing the finer points of baseball.

 

[ttystikk]

I know you will foam at the mouth for me saying this, but you invite evidence to the contrary while you have provided no evidence of your thesis - not a scintilla. This is an opinion piece. I am not saying that I disagree with it but for you to imply that it is anything but is ridiculous.

Maybe it is true. If so, post actual evidence rather than just repeating an opinion that got you juiced up. This is the worst of intellectual folly. Do your homework before waving your hands around and running in circles


D+ work. Come see me during my office hours.

I cited my source; NPR.

I was also clear that I was giving voice to my own dark suspicions.

D- for reading comprehension. No recess for you!

 

[ttystikk]

Occupation of Europe AND the entirety of Soviet Union?

Nope. The people of the US didn't want to tangle with USSR. At the end of WW2, people in the US saw Soviets and Chinese as allies.

Agreed. It was Patton's wet dream and would never come to pass, unless the Nazis had won the war of the Eastern Front.

Hence what I said about wondering.

It would have been one ugly fight.

 

[travisw]

That Story about Immigrants Being Discharged from the Military Is Much More Complex than the AP Makes It Seem

There are more than 70,000 non-citizen individuals serving in the U.S. military. The discharges described by the AP affect a few dozen people who enlisted through MAVNI. As nonsensical as the current policy toward them is, it reflects not a maliciously xenophobic purge of immigrants from the armed forces but rather the woes of bad, opaque policymaking. Before using the AP report for their political purposes, the Trump administration’s critics should first stop and understand its full context.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/immigrant-military-recruit-discharges-blame-bureacratic-incompetence/

 

[ttystikk]

That Story about Immigrants Being Discharged from the Military Is Much More Complex than the AP Makes It Seem

There are more than 70,000 non-citizen individuals serving in the U.S. military. The discharges described by the AP affect a few dozen people who enlisted through MAVNI. As nonsensical as the current policy toward them is, it reflects not a maliciously xenophobic purge of immigrants from the armed forces but rather the woes of bad, opaque policymaking. Before using the AP report for their political purposes, the Trump administration’s critics should first stop and understand its full context.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/immigrant-military-recruit-discharges-blame-bureacratic-incompetence/

You know the National Review is a right wing rag, don't you?

 

[Fogdog]

That Story about Immigrants Being Discharged from the Military Is Much More Complex than the AP Makes It Seem

There are more than 70,000 non-citizen individuals serving in the U.S. military. The discharges described by the AP affect a few dozen people who enlisted through MAVNI. As nonsensical as the current policy toward them is, it reflects not a maliciously xenophobic purge of immigrants from the armed forces but rather the woes of bad, opaque policymaking. Before using the AP report for their political purposes, the Trump administration’s critics should first stop and understand its full context.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/immigrant-military-recruit-discharges-blame-bureacratic-incompetence/

Thanks

We are reacting mostly to early reports. Happens for issues both on the left and right. I'm thinking of setting a personal policy of waiting at least three days before trying to figure out what's going on.

 

[Fogdog]

You know the National Review is a right wing rag, don't you?

Says the poster child of opinion pieces from propaganda sites who claims they are unbiased or "good" sources of information.

That said, agree about putting red flags around that site's articles. The National Review isn't one of my go-to sites for investigative news reporting.

Reports that the military has initiated a policy of turning out legal immigrants also has more than the whiff of fake news on it. I'm holding out for more information before making up my mind on this one.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
National Review
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In review, the National Review Online frequently uses loaded emotional wording in headlines that favor the right such as: Weapons of Mass Manipulation. This article was written by conservative pundit Michelle Malkin who has made false claims according to fact checkers. When reporting on President Trump the National Review offers a reasonable balance of pro-Trump and anti-Trump articles with slightly more favoring the President and his policies. National Review typically sources their information to known right leaning sources, but sometimes links to factually mixed sources such as PJ Media and the Daily Mail. Editorially, they endorse conservative policy and politicians, such as their endorsement of Ted Cruz during the 2016 Presidential Election. Finally, story selection always favors the right, while painting liberal policy negatively.

A factual search reveals that in this article the National Review falsely reported that NOAA manipulated climate data, that was later debunked.

Overall, we rate the National Review Right Biased based on story selection that always favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to failed fact checks and occasional use of poor sources. (7/19/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 6/20/201

 

[travisw]

You know the National Review is a right wing rag, don't you?

Of course.

You know Russia Today is the propaganda arm of the Russian government, don't you?

 

[Sir Napsalot]

I'm the left-wing arm of consumer reports

 

[ttystikk]

Of course.

You know Russia Today is the propaganda arm of the Russian government, don't you?

Maybe. What Lee Camp and Ed Schultz report still checks out. By your logic, the BBC is also a government run propaganda outlet. Logic I happen to agree with, as it happens. One must read every source with a jaundiced eye and employ one's critical thinking skills these days. There is no such thing as an unimpeachably objective source and in fact there never was.

It has to be said that being a Russian propagandist must be about the easiest job in the world right now.

 

[ttystikk]

I'm the left-wing arm of consumer reports

What's your considered opinion of the Lamborghini Gallardo?

 

[ttystikk]

Thanks

We are reacting mostly to early reports. Happens for issues both on the left and right. I'm thinking of setting a personal policy of waiting at least three days before trying to figure out what's going on.

Fair enough.

If this purge widens, then it will be time to get more concerned. That said, I think it's damn shitty to treat long time active duty service men and women this way. They're working a lot harder for their citizenship than most and they seem to be getting a raw deal for their trouble. Sends the wrong message, pretty consistent for this gang of clowns.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

I cited my source; NPR.

I was also clear that I was giving voice to my own dark suspicions.

D- for reading comprehension. No recess for you!

Recess is where you belong. You are lamer than I ever thought. You cited your source several posts later and still managed to make a shit argument despite hearing one that was likely compelling. People like you are a disadvantage to any group you belong to.

I read NPR news every day. I can find nothing. You got a link? Or did you hear it on the radio? Was it another opinion piece? What segment?

As I said, it may be true. The fact that your post is based on air most certainly is.

 

[Sir Napsalot]

What's your considered opinion of the Lamborghini Gallardo?

Every Lamborghini since the LP500 has been a restyling of the LP500