How many Neoliberals in the Democratic Party before the Democratic Party is a Neoliberal party?

[UncleBuck]

More convinced than ever he's not even a lefty. Equating Bernie to Nancy Pelosi over and over again, gtffooh. A common propaganda tactic is to simply repeat a lie over and over again until it is accepted. IE: The Iraq war, or more currently, russiagate. That seems to be fakedogs whole schtick.

Yep, you’re an obvious plant pretending to be a liberal

Who do you think mueller will indict next?

 

[UncleBuck]

No, because your "facts" are cherry picked, you make up your own definitions for things and you constantly try to reframe things to better suit your agenda. In short, not an honest actor, not a serious person, not credible, not worth listening to.

His facts are the congressional record you dumb little virgin boi from St. Petersburg

 

[Padawanbater2]

Sanders and Pelosi have the same voting record on progressive issues.

What universal healthcare bill has Pelosi signed on to?

I have no idea what effect you think corporate PAC money is having on Pelosi's votes.

If you believe corporate/PAC/special interest donations do not influence politicians votes, why do you support campaign finance reform?

Pelosi is as strong on progressive issues and more effective in making meaningful change than Bernie.

Sanders' campaign and actions after the election have shifted the Democratic party left. Because of him, a majority of Democrats (85%) support universal healthcare, as well as more than 60% of Independents and 52% of Republicans, meaning the majority of Americans across party lines, and Sanders remains the most popular politician in the country according to aggregate polling, for good reason; his positions are popular among the people

what's your beef about accepting PAC money?

Also wondering why you'd put Democrats at a disadvantage in campaign spending for apparently no good reason.

1. it subverts democracy
2. it benefits the Republican party

It objectively influences votes in government

Republicans are better at it

Republican voters largely support corporate/PAC/special interest money, so their politicians are free to accept as much as they can raise, which usually results in them out raising their Democratic opponent. Democratic voters largely oppose corporate/PAC/special interest money, so their politicians have to toe the line between their constituents interests and their corporate donors interests since they often conflict with each other.

Democrats do support campaign finance.

The only politicians who support campaign finance reform are the ones who don't accept corporate/PAC/special interest money

If one looks at their campaign reports, there are moderates who reject campaign contributions and progressives who accept it.

Name 2 moderates who reject corporate/PAC/special interest donations and 2 progressives who do

for the most part the electorate is more concerned about local issues and countering Trump's actions.

What "local issues"? What evidence shows voters are most interested in countering Trump's actions? What do you base this off?

Every poll I've seen, voters number one issue is universal healthcare, because of Bernie Sanders' campaign

Near as I can tell only about 6 to 8 of your kind or Progressive(TM) are even running for seats in Congress.

That's probably because you're uninformed and only absorb establishment media. 23 candidates endorsed by Justice Democrats have already won their elections and are going on to the general or to congress.. within 2 years of being established

 

[UncleBuck]

Sanders remains the most popular politician in the country

he's polling behind biden and clinton in the latest poll

 

[srh88]

What universal healthcare bill has Pelosi signed on to?

If you believe corporate/PAC/special interest donations do not influence politicians votes, why do you support campaign finance reform?

Sanders' campaign and actions after the election have shifted the Democratic party left. Because of him, a majority of Democrats (85%) support universal healthcare, as well as more than 60% of Independents and 52% of Republicans, meaning the majority of Americans across party lines, and Sanders remains the most popular politician in the country according to aggregate polling, for good reason; his positions are popular among the people


1. it subverts democracy
2. it benefits the Republican party

It objectively influences votes in government

Republicans are better at it

Republican voters largely support corporate/PAC/special interest money, so their politicians are free to accept as much as they can raise, which usually results in them out raising their Democratic opponent. Democratic voters largely oppose corporate/PAC/special interest money, so their politicians have to toe the line between their constituents interests and their corporate donors interests since they often conflict with each other.

The only politicians who support campaign finance reform are the ones who don't accept corporate/PAC/special interest money

Name 2 moderates who reject corporate/PAC/special interest donations and 2 progressives who do

What "local issues"? What evidence shows voters are most interested in countering Trump's actions? What do you base this off?

Every poll I've seen, voters number one issue is universal healthcare, because of Bernie Sanders' campaign

That's probably because you're uninformed and only absorb establishment media. 23 candidates endorsed by Justice Democrats have already won their elections and are going on to the general or to congress.. within 2 years of being established

2 of Trump's top people get brought down today and you're still rallying against Democrats lol

 

[travisw]

Sanders' campaign and actions after the election have shifted the Democratic party left. Because of him, a majority of Democrats (85%) support universal healthcare, as well as more than 60% of Independents and 52% of Republicans, meaning the majority of Americans across party lines, and Sanders remains the most popular politician in the country according to aggregate polling, for good reason; his positions

What fantasy world did those numbers come from?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/12/about-half-of-americans-support-single-payer-health-care/?utm_term=.9eae266266c7

 

[INF Flux]

Yeah, the Bezos post is super credible.

 

[travisw]

Yeah, the Bezos post is super credible.

He didn't bother to post a source and it's a Kaiser poll.

Are you blind or just an asshole?

edit: more numbers

 

[INF Flux]

What do you have against blind people?

 

[srh88]

What do you have against blind people?

What do you have against facts?

 

[INF Flux]

Who paid for them

 

[Fogdog]

What universal healthcare bill has Pelosi signed on to?

If you believe corporate/PAC/special interest donations do not influence politicians votes, why do you support campaign finance reform?

Sanders' campaign and actions after the election have shifted the Democratic party left. Because of him, a majority of Democrats (85%) support universal healthcare, as well as more than 60% of Independents and 52% of Republicans, meaning the majority of Americans across party lines, and Sanders remains the most popular politician in the country according to aggregate polling, for good reason; his positions are popular among the people


1. it subverts democracy
2. it benefits the Republican party

It objectively influences votes in government

Republicans are better at it

Republican voters largely support corporate/PAC/special interest money, so their politicians are free to accept as much as they can raise, which usually results in them out raising their Democratic opponent. Democratic voters largely oppose corporate/PAC/special interest money, so their politicians have to toe the line between their constituents interests and their corporate donors interests since they often conflict with each other.

The only politicians who support campaign finance reform are the ones who don't accept corporate/PAC/special interest money

Name 2 moderates who reject corporate/PAC/special interest donations and 2 progressives who do

What "local issues"? What evidence shows voters are most interested in countering Trump's actions? What do you base this off?

Every poll I've seen, voters number one issue is universal healthcare, because of Bernie Sanders' campaign

That's probably because you're uninformed and only absorb establishment media. 23 candidates endorsed by Justice Democrats have already won their elections and are going on to the general or to congress.. within 2 years of being established

Congratulations, wonderful write-up. Too bad you wasted it on a bad argument.

You don't distinguish between facts and beliefs. It's a fact that Sanders and Pelosi have virtually the same voting record. You go on and on about non-facts and beliefs. Sanders bill for universal healthcare did not make it to a vote. Pelosi wasn't a supporter of the bill and you can believe what you like about her vote.

I have no beef with Progressives(TM) that are in Congress including Sanders. They are going to be great members of the Democratic Caucus. I'm not going to put effort into discussing your beliefs. I will say that Scott Lamb, a moderate, doesn't accept corporate PAC money. Plenty of progressives including Pelosi do accept PAC money.

Note that I distinguish progressives who support progress from Progressives(TM) who support only radical change immediately. By doing so they make no progress, Bernie Sanders is an example. He has accomplished little in his 12 years in office.

Too funny that with all this sturm and drang about PAC money, you Progressives(TM) were angry that the DCCC wouldn't help that loser in Colorado. Here you are, telling me that all Democrats who accept corporate PAC money are damned then cry a river when after he asked your guy was directly told that they wouldn't help him.

You know that the the largest spender in campaigns win 95% of the time yet want Democrats to hobble themselves and give Republicans this advantage. Progressives(TM) are simply being useful idiots for Trump by your position.

Tell you what. Run more Progressives(TM) than 12 for congressional seats, like, 200 more. Win hundreds of seats and then your Progressives can call the shots. I don't believe Progressives(TM) can win in red and purple districts. Apparently neither do Progressive(TM) candidates because none did run in conservative districts. For the most part, they only do well in liberal districts.

 

[UncleBuck]

Who paid for them

Your penis is small

 

[ttystikk]

Explain again why racism will just go away if we stop talking about it. I didn't understand the last time you explained it to me.

Also, kiss my ass tty. You always say we should be nice and explain ourselves to people we disagree with so kiss my ass. Or is it just neo-Nazis that you kiss ass?

Did you get kicked in the head recently?

 

[ttystikk]

did you take my direct addressing of the topic to be a distraction? huh. odd

you responded to me saying "nope" to padaraper's absurd claim that moderate leftist democrats like me were responsible for trump's illegitimate win

i pointed out that i was out knocking on doors, making calls, and doing the actual work a campaign does while you were sitting at home on your slightly obese ass degrading the best candidate the democratic party has seen in decades as "shillary" and giving the respect of a formal title to the murdering dictator from russia who attacked our nation to install his racist puppet as president.

if you have anything else to say to actually address these facts (and since they are facts you cannot rebut them), feel free to say it

bitch

Hi bitch.

You aren't the one running the Democratic Party.

Knocking on doors does not mean you're deciding policy.

 

[UncleBuck]

Hi bitch.

You aren't the one running the Democratic Party.

Knocking on doors does not mean you're deciding policy.

you seem pleasant

 

[ttystikk]

Congratulations, wonderful write-up. Too bad you wasted it on a bad argument.

You don't distinguish between facts and beliefs. It's a fact that Sanders and Pelosi have virtually the same voting record. You go on and on about non-facts and beliefs. Sanders bill for universal healthcare did not make it to a vote. Pelosi wasn't a supporter of the bill and you can believe what you like about her vote.

I have no beef with Progressives(TM) that are in Congress including Sanders. They are going to be great members of the Democratic Caucus. I'm not going to put effort into discussing your beliefs. I will say that Scott Lamb, a moderate, doesn't accept corporate PAC money. Plenty of progressives including Pelosi do accept PAC money.

Note that I distinguish progressives who support progress from Progressives(TM) who support only radical change immediately. By doing so they make no progress, Bernie Sanders is an example. He has accomplished little in his 12 years in office.

Too funny that with all this sturm and drang about PAC money, you Progressives(TM) were angry that the DCCC wouldn't help that loser in Colorado. Here you are, telling me that all Democrats who accept corporate PAC money are damned then cry a river when after he asked your guy was directly told that they wouldn't help him.

You know that the the largest spender in campaigns win 95% of the time yet want Democrats to hobble themselves and give Republicans this advantage. Progressives(TM) are simply being useful idiots for Trump by your position.

Tell you what. Run more Progressives(TM) than 12 for congressional seats, like, 200 more. Win hundreds of seats and then your Progressives can call the shots. I don't believe Progressives(TM) can win in red and purple districts. Apparently neither do Progressive(TM) candidates because none did run in conservative districts. For the most part, they only do well in liberal districts.

Pad has facts. This is a fact free diatribe.

You aren't a serious person.

 

[ttystikk]

Your penis is small

We accept your concession to the debate and the fact that your intelligence level is lacking when making political arguments.

 

[UncleBuck]

We accept your concession to the debate and the fact that your intelligence level is lacking when making political arguments.

good job sticking up for an obvious plant

 

[Justin-case]

Did you get kicked in the head recently?

If he had, it would be considered a pre-existing condition. Since republicans and trump seek to dismantle healthcare in this country, this november can we expect you to vote democratically to help protect the right to guaranteed affordable health care?