Hey King I like how you structured the first part of your reply.Peace,Love and Unity.Those were the days.Me and Mrs old buzzard love to grow house plants,our deck is covered in various flowers in summer,we just have a good time and enjoy it.its not about who spent the most money or the latest and greatest most recent data,only enjoying our self's at this point of life.enjoying smoking something we grew that nature provided.Just a hell of a lot of fun.I am not the best grower but not bad either.I will smoke with someone regardless of what lights they used to grow with.This whole argument will never be settled.Here is how I approach every grow I do and most of my weed is given away to friends and family. 1) I am not the brightest bulb in the batch 2) if something can go wrong it likely will.believe it or not this helps me greatly.So I throw all the trolling B.S. away and keep it as simple as possible.Your right many on here want to impress others with their superior intellect,mostly just repeated info they were sold on by someone.I think the real grower are the ones who just do it because they don't know how not to.and are only repeating what their results were for others. if it helps fine if not, then fine also.It took so long to get weed legal in the few places it is now,something us old timers thought could only dream of.In MI. for so long you get caught with a couple joints you go to jail for 20 years Murder only 7 years.Now there is a new generation who only want to argue with everyone.and throw insults at the pioneers who risked everything for them to get where it is today.If there not careful they will become their own worst enemy and we will loose everything we have gained.we need to pick our fights careful.and just because someone told you led is the best then use it, but they need to stop calling everyone stupid who do not.I will take years of experience over something new every time.time will prove many things wrong.also show results.somethings can not be proven overnight.I commend those who choose to try something new they will help advance our hobby,unfortunately it has become about marketing and money like everything else.If anyone wants to use the new leds go for it I hope it works great for you.but stop telling me and others on here your the only one right when many of you just got started growing yesterday.anyway after all the ramble peace,love and unity back at you brother.