The Impact of Light Intensity and Spectrum-Tuning on Cannabis Yields
dandyrandy
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Snake oil slice these lights
I'll move on.
I'll move on.
Kingrow1
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No dude you are and years now i am not fussed of your opinion and neither is the site
Kingrow1
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No that is the point, if you cant join in move on because were sick of your trolling leds here, what was your last comment that they out grow hps and cmh by 30% - laugahable that you make such bold statements when not everyone agrees.
Kingrow1
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Back to your icmag account hopefully yes.......!
dandyrandy
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Sorry punk. At my age I don't move over.
Kingrow1
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Dont mean to point out the obvious but you said one thing now another, like led trolls.
So are you moving on or staying for more.....
Weird how you said youd move on now lying.... led much fool lol
dandyrandy
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Keep talking. You are making your friends. Are you ok? It's weed.
Kingrow1
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Not here for idiots like you and since when did i need you lot, led trolls we all see and you still act like your f'ing JESUS around these parts.... Just embarrising why not just number your led claims and then go back to icmag.... ill start to help you with your first one
* LEds grow %30 more than cmh watt for watt from the wall - Dandyrandy quotes this often so take that up with him sometime...
old buzzard
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An opinion from the distance.I am not qualified to comment on either lighting system as I use neither.I know I'm a relic( an old one).But hear me out please.Rather you like him or not kinggrow is on to something here.his complaint as far as I can see is all the hype as to how the only way to grow is with LED.folks taking cherry picked info and building on it.I don't think most doing this even realize how arrogant they sound.Its in how you present it to me.And the way it has been presented I do not want anything to do with LED.Let me explain.I am a archery nut.I love to shoot bows, crossbows,hunting is a passion of mine.In the 70s,80s,early 90s.hunting was fun.Then came the need for speed craze and if you couldn't shoot over 300 feet per second then you were not a hunter.(starting to sound familiar)new hunters were being pressed to use this equipment by the marketing and manufacturers.newbies thought all they needed was the latest and greatest equipment and they were in like flint and everyone else was stupid.problem was most of them did not know the difference between a deer track and a pig track.nothing about deer habits and tendencies exct.or in other words lousy hunters.the tech made them a better shot but not a good shot.(sound familiar)come opening day the guy using an old recurve came out of the woods with a 10 point buck and the guy with the fancy $1,500 bow came out empty handed.how could that be?See it became about the technology and not respect and understanding for the majestic animal .I have all 3, recurve,compound and crossbow.and I can take a nice buck with either.the difference is to set up according to my understanding of each.but what happened is hunting got ruined by the tech craze,hunters were found arguing about tech issues instead of sharing good helpful knowledge about the game they hunted.they were so busy fighting it was not even about hunting any more.and now very few knowledgeable hunters even left.hunting is way down to expensive for most its a shame.my point is watching from a distance I see the same thing happening to growing weed.new growers spending a fortune and having terrible outcomes.opening morning comes around and the cfl grower comes out with fist size buds and the led grower comes out with nothing.Is it the lighting ? no.the lighting might help just like the compound bow can help,but when its not about the grow and the respect for the majesty and understanding of the beautiful plant any more and about ego.then you will ruin it for the average grower,and all there will be left is the big commercial grows and you will be forced to smoke what they give you.I was told by folks on here to be a real man and step up to LEDs if I wanted to grow good weed.REALLY-REALLY .kiss my as#. They never even seen or smoked my weed before.A bunch of real a#$holes.I know not all are like that.but do not stray to far from what its about.The grow,the plant.having fun enjoying it,learning about the living thing you are growing.Its not about a damn light.I use a simple t-5 lights,1 or 2 hits and your stoned buddy.One day I may use LEDs who knows.but the absolute truth is the cost is not worth it now.the quality is over exaggerated.can it help? likely yes but seriously how much,really.If I get quart jar size buds covered in frost,then my lighting is not a problem.understand these manufactures are out to make money off you any way they can and sell you.I'm just saying be careful.OK go ahead and drill me now.Just an opinion.lets not become our own worst enemy over this subject.Lot more to say but better shut up now while I'm still behind.
Kingrow1
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Thundercat
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I really think the main reason that LED hasn't stood out as better is the lack of w/w grows. Very few LED growers actually run comparable wattage, they would rather save 30% on the electric bill then get 30% more yield. Thats how it works out guys. If you run w/w of light, you should be able to expect very similar results, but probably much better from LED because they out put more photons.
I totally agree that the biggest issue isn't the difference in lights, its the egos. Some of it is old guy egos, but a lot of it is young kids that have just got into growing in the last 2-5 years. I'm sorry, but you have a lot to learn before you start preaching which lights are the greatest. The LED vs HPS debate was going on back in 2008 when I joined this site. However back then it wasn't really a debate it was hype vs results. These days, the results are there on both sides if we all open our minds and look. Set up cost is the biggest difference at this point, and that is drastically reduced if you can DYI. If you can't DYI, then in the next few years I expect to see extremely affordable LED rigs on the market. The more competition grows, and tech improves, the cheap its getting.
From everything I've seen over the years these plants want light and lots of it. So running lower wattage might get ok results, but if you want to compare 2 different lights, they need to be comparable wattage. My biggest complaint about LED is the way they are marketed with equivalent wattage ratings. That is 100% bull shit. They need to market them on how much light they actually produce at comparable wattages.
I would bet money that if you get all these LED guys running similar w/sqft to the HPS guys the results will be better if not just indistinguishable.
I totally agree that the biggest issue isn't the difference in lights, its the egos. Some of it is old guy egos, but a lot of it is young kids that have just got into growing in the last 2-5 years. I'm sorry, but you have a lot to learn before you start preaching which lights are the greatest. The LED vs HPS debate was going on back in 2008 when I joined this site. However back then it wasn't really a debate it was hype vs results. These days, the results are there on both sides if we all open our minds and look. Set up cost is the biggest difference at this point, and that is drastically reduced if you can DYI. If you can't DYI, then in the next few years I expect to see extremely affordable LED rigs on the market. The more competition grows, and tech improves, the cheap its getting.
From everything I've seen over the years these plants want light and lots of it. So running lower wattage might get ok results, but if you want to compare 2 different lights, they need to be comparable wattage. My biggest complaint about LED is the way they are marketed with equivalent wattage ratings. That is 100% bull shit. They need to market them on how much light they actually produce at comparable wattages.
I would bet money that if you get all these LED guys running similar w/sqft to the HPS guys the results will be better if not just indistinguishable.
hillbill
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@old buzzard could grow more of his really great weed for less power used and less heat to deal with. I don't think anyone is an asshole for using HPS. That would be like saying “I used to be an asshole.”
And we all know that CMH growers are not near the assholes that HPS growers are.
People that use fluorescents are just nice folks, like people from Minnesota!
And we all know that CMH growers are not near the assholes that HPS growers are.
People that use fluorescents are just nice folks, like people from Minnesota!
jarvild
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But your stating HPS is the holy grail which inself is not true>
Kingrow1
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Dude i have never but i do give the consideration its due rather than what leds would prefer and thats for me to trash it like its redundant and shite. This is the part leds miss when they read my obvious statements, you precieve what your light hype telks you to and the result is i look like an hps anarchist in your imaginary world.
Secondly you can just google the specs for hps, aint nobody here lying or hiding anything which is funny because you seem to have different speces to me on this obvious stuff, same for most leds but thats where youve had to add this stuff back in for five years, ir, uv, yellow green and far reds..... Back to whites in the last thread.
No you are wrong i never sqid hps is the grail but you are acting all Indy Jones on this site with your led nazi treasure.... like holy cow how many threads can you troll with "Led is the best" and "hps cant even touch it"....
Couldnt say fairer
Thundercat
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The whole point of this thread, and what the study pointed out was it didn't matter which light you had over the plants.....
The study said put more light over your plants for more yield period! It stated that the cost per watt for more light was outweighed by the added yield. Soo How about we all just stop arguing over which light system is "the holy grail", and just try to increase all of our ppfd until we can actually compare with the sun.
Secondly it has always amazed me how intolerant many stoners on this site are. Calling each other names, and attacking each other for being different rather then trying to come together and become better. Not to say everyone is at all, but there are more then I expected from a bunch of weed growers. Sadly I think egos take charge many times, and closed minds don't learn new things well.
The study said put more light over your plants for more yield period! It stated that the cost per watt for more light was outweighed by the added yield. Soo How about we all just stop arguing over which light system is "the holy grail", and just try to increase all of our ppfd until we can actually compare with the sun.
Secondly it has always amazed me how intolerant many stoners on this site are. Calling each other names, and attacking each other for being different rather then trying to come together and become better. Not to say everyone is at all, but there are more then I expected from a bunch of weed growers. Sadly I think egos take charge many times, and closed minds don't learn new things well.
Kingrow1
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Fact - Cmh growers and the market saw what leds had created and thought lets steer clear of doing that, of course there not assholes and cmh affords them middle ground away from you trolls.
This is very very obvious but you twist it back to hps
Kingrow1
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Fuck dude try owning a hps and see how friendly it is, if i were lesser of a rabbit id order a cmh right now just to not get told my bud isnt as frosty or takes two weeks longer and twice the power and my terps arent as good and my plants must be burnt because my thermometer in the light says 110°f and so on....
I did use knowledge back against them not just abuse ya know