An opinion from the distance.I am not qualified to comment on either lighting system as I use neither.I know I'm a relic( an old one).But hear me out please.Rather you like him or not kinggrow is on to something here.his complaint as far as I can see is all the hype as to how the only way to grow is with LED.folks taking cherry picked info and building on it.I don't think most doing this even realize how arrogant they sound.Its in how you present it to me.And the way it has been presented I do not want anything to do with LED.Let me explain.I am a archery nut.I love to shoot bows, crossbows,hunting is a passion of mine.In the 70s,80s,early 90s.hunting was fun.Then came the need for speed craze and if you couldn't shoot over 300 feet per second then you were not a hunter.(starting to sound familiar)new hunters were being pressed to use this equipment by the marketing and manufacturers.newbies thought all they needed was the latest and greatest equipment and they were in like flint and everyone else was stupid.problem was most of them did not know the difference between a deer track and a pig track.nothing about deer habits and tendencies exct.or in other words lousy hunters.the tech made them a better shot but not a good shot.(sound familiar)come opening day the guy using an old recurve came out of the woods with a 10 point buck and the guy with the fancy $1,500 bow came out empty handed.how could that be?See it became about the technology and not respect and understanding for the majestic animal .I have all 3, recurve,compound and crossbow.and I can take a nice buck with either.the difference is to set up according to my understanding of each.but what happened is hunting got ruined by the tech craze,hunters were found arguing about tech issues instead of sharing good helpful knowledge about the game they hunted.they were so busy fighting it was not even about hunting any more.and now very few knowledgeable hunters even left.hunting is way down to expensive for most its a shame.my point is watching from a distance I see the same thing happening to growing weed.new growers spending a fortune and having terrible outcomes.opening morning comes around and the cfl grower comes out with fist size buds and the led grower comes out with nothing.Is it the lighting ? no.the lighting might help just like the compound bow can help,but when its not about the grow and the respect for the majesty and understanding of the beautiful plant any more and about ego.then you will ruin it for the average grower,and all there will be left is the big commercial grows and you will be forced to smoke what they give you.I was told by folks on here to be a real man and step up to LEDs if I wanted to grow good weed.REALLY-REALLY .kiss my as#. They never even seen or smoked my weed before.A bunch of real a#$holes.I know not all are like that.but do not stray to far from what its about.The grow,the plant.having fun enjoying it,learning about the living thing you are growing.Its not about a damn light.I use a simple t-5 lights,1 or 2 hits and your stoned buddy.One day I may use LEDs who knows.but the absolute truth is the cost is not worth it now.the quality is over exaggerated.can it help? likely yes but seriously how much,really.If I get quart jar size buds covered in frost,then my lighting is not a problem.understand these manufactures are out to make money off you any way they can and sell you.I'm just saying be careful.OK go ahead and drill me now.Just an opinion.lets not become our own worst enemy over this subject.Lot more to say but better shut up now while I'm still behind.