40+ lbs with 12 Plants in 2 Rooms on a Flip

[myke]

Grow ‘em BIG!

 

[diggs99]

So I did some more training today, I got some shots of the aftermath for ya all

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Here is a shot of the 600 watt CMH next to a 1000 watt HPS on 1200 watt setting. CMH is on the right/closer.

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They are sprawling out nice. What are the dimensions of the rooms?

That 600 looks so much brighter than the 1k, crazy

 

[Renfro]

They are sprawling out nice. What are the dimensions of the rooms?

That 600 looks so much brighter than the 1k, crazy

The rooms are about 20.5 x 20 ish. The trellis rigs are 4 wide, 8 long and 5 high.

 

[diggs99]

The rooms are about 20.5 x 20 ish. The trellis rigs are 4 wide, 8 long and 5 high.

Seem like nice size, your running 6 per room then obv?

Were gonna need to revisit my earlier questions about my future room. Plant count has changed, plans have changed lol

Im gonna need some help maximizing the space and count , Moms and SOGS seem are what im gravitating towards.

 

[Renfro]

There are 6 of mine in there (what the rooms were designed for) and some smaller plants that are my girls, we will just find a place to let them be so we can run them, but they won't be getting ideal light or anything.

Whats your count and space?

 

[diggs99]

There are 6 of mine in there (what the rooms were designed for) and some smaller plants that are my girls, we will just find a place to let them be so we can run them, but they won't be getting ideal light or anything.

Whats your count and space?

50 count

Current space to work with is 16 x 8 , will be using this room for the rest of this year.

New space will be ready by end of this year or early next.

 

[Renfro]

Well for a no veg sog one 4x4 flood and drain tray would hold 48 in a 7x7 grid minus 1 for the tray fittings.

If you wanna grow them bigger you can veg them and use less per 4x4 area. Like you could do a 4x8 tray with up to 96 or less as you veg them bigger. How many will fit just depends on how big you want them.

You could use the trays as a hydro setup or just use them to collect runoff and pipe it to a floor drain.

In a 16 x 8 area I would probably put two 4x8 trays in there. If done right that could pull around 8 pounds a run with 4 x 1000 watt HPS. Just for a baseline.

If you wanna fill the whole room to the brim I would suggest a bucket in a bucket system using 5 gallon buckets, they would work like my 10 gallon buckets and you could connect them all to a floor drain. Then you could run 8 lights and probably pull around 16 pounds but there would be VERY little room to walk so going with coco and auto watering system would be a good idea.

 

[Renfro]

If you go with 8 lights and use 1kW HPS you will probably need about 4 tons of AC. If you use 600 watt CMH lights you will need way less, like 1.5 - 2 tons.

 

[diggs99]

Well for a no veg sog one 4x4 flood and drain tray would hold 48 in a 7x7 grid minus 1 for the tray fittings.

If you wanna grow them bigger you can veg them and use less per 4x4 area. Like you could do a 4x8 tray with up to 96 or less as you veg them bigger. How many will fit just depends on how big you want them.

You could use the trays as a hydro setup or just use them to collect runoff and pipe it to a floor drain.

In a 16 x 8 area I would probably put two 4x8 trays in there. If done right that could pull around 8 pounds a run with 4 x 1000 watt HPS. Just for a baseline.

If you wanna fill the whole room to the brim I would suggest a bucket in a bucket system using 5 gallon buckets, they would work like my 10 gallon buckets and you could connect them all to a floor drain. Then you could run 8 lights and probably pull around 16 pounds but there would be VERY little room to walk so going with coco and auto watering system would be a good idea.

I like the idea of not filling the room to the brim, i like having a little space to work, seems your first idea about the 2 4x8 tables and 4kw seems like a good place to start. I dont mind a little veg time or none at all, whatever works best fo fill the space with the plants im allowed to grow.

I plan to keep 4-6 mothers if i find some good ones. so ideally i would be running 42/44 plants , maybe 2 tables with 20-22 each, running 1 month apart, harvest every month?

Ill use my 600w hps and 2x 315s because i already have them, would you just buy a couple 1ks to go with them for now? im really liking the CMH route.

 

[Renfro]

Id use the smaller lights for the mothers and use either a 1kW HPS or 600 watt CMH over a 4x4 footprint.

I am personally against perpetual in one room. I like to change condition like humidity, co2, light levels, feed during the cycle so having a perpetual makes some of that impossible or more difficult. Thats just me tho. For example I like to reduce light intensity, heat, co2 and feed ppm as the run finishes, I think this provides denser buds and better quality. As a flowering run starts I use higher humidity than I do when it's budding. You wouldn't be able to veg in there so you would be stuck with a no veg sog and thats not gonna fill your room at all, maybe one 4x4.

 

[diggs99]

Id use the smaller lights for the mothers and use either a 1kW HPS or 600 watt CMH over a 4x4 footprint.

I am personally against perpetual in one room. I like to change condition like humidity, co2, light levels, feed during the cycle so having a perpetual makes some of that impossible or more difficult. Thats just me tho. For example I like to reduce light intensity, heat, co2 and feed ppm as the run finishes, I think this provides denser buds and better quality. As a flowering run starts I use higher humidity than I do when it's budding. You wouldn't be able to veg in there so you would be stuck with a no veg sog and thats not gonna fill your room at all, maybe one 4x4.

I see what your saying, i guess if i wanted to do perpetual monthly harvest i could just throw up a wall and treat the space as 2 rooms. But then im having to worry about enviromental control x 2 as well.

i think it may be easier and more practical to just run the 2 tables at same time with very little or no veg.

Maybe i could use the 600w dialed down for the moms, use the 2 x 315s i have for a 4x4 section and grab 3 more 630 cmhs for the other 3 sections.

I am still undecided on watering method, DTW in coco is what i have been researching most, seems pretty straight forward and nothing too elaborate to setup. How would you water 2 tables?

 

[Renfro]

Thing is you would want to veg the plants a little if you want that count to fill up that area. With a no veg you can only work one 4x4 tray and one light using that plant count.

If I was running tables/sog I would honestly use flood and drain. Some trays you can get a cover for, or you can make one, drill holes for net pots, toss one of the coco root mats in the bottom of the tray, put the lid on and have your cuttings go into the tray thru holes in the lid using net pots and expanded clay pellets. This way the roots can go all around under the lid and just fill that area up nice. You end up with a nice thick layer of roots on the coco mat.

When I did mine they ended up big so I built my reservoir with 2x12's and pond liner. Put a couple angle iron cross braces for the tray to sit on. Make it a little longer than the tray so you have a 6" access on one end. You can have the pumps there. Run a circulation pump, this will just keep nutes mixed, a timed flood pump. Now all you gotta do is keep the res filled and proper.

My reservoirs had about 10 gallons per inch of depth per 4x4 area, so you could run 10" deep in the res and have 100 gallons per 4x4 area. Very low maint, easiest system I ever used and perfect for a sog. With 1kW HPS and co2 I usually used about 4 - 5 gallons per day per light. You can bolt up a trellis rig to the wood reservoir too, you will want those. lol

 

[diggs99]

Thing is you would want to veg the plants a little if you want that count to fill up that area. With a no veg you can only work one 4x4 tray and one light using that plant count.

If I was running tables/sog I would honestly use flood and drain. Some trays you can get a cover for, or you can make one, drill holes for net pots, toss one of the coco root mats in the bottom of the tray, put the lid on and have your cuttings go into the tray thru holes in the lid using net pots and expanded clay pellets. This way the roots can go all around under the lid and just fill that area up nice. You end up with a nice thick layer of roots on the coco mat.

When I did mine they ended up big so I built my reservoir with 2x12's and pond liner. Put a couple angle iron cross braces for the tray to sit on. Make it a little longer than the tray so you have a 6" access on one end. You can have the pumps there. Run a circulation pump, this will just keep nutes mixed, a timed flood pump. Now all you gotta do is keep the res filled and proper.

My reservoirs had about 10 gallons per inch of depth per 4x4 area, so you could run 10" deep in the res and have 100 gallons per 4x4 area. Very low maint, easiest system I ever used and perfect for a sog. With 1kW HPS and co2 I usually used about 4 - 5 gallons per day per light. You can bolt up a trellis rig to the wood reservoir too, you will want those. lol

From clone, how long do you think i would need to veg 40 plants to fill a 4x 16 foot print?

I have looked at the ebb and flow system, looks good once its all setup and running, i also like drain to waste in coco, using flood trays to catch runoff and drain to waste. i have looked into few different methods for auto drip watering. I will have to look further into the flood and drain, see if i can understand the setup, if its easier on my head, ill go that route lol.

Ya i plan to build my tables with heavy lumber regardless of which route i take, ill prob build them with 2x6s or 2x8s and use joist hangers for support, strong enough for a deck, should be strong enough for tables. Where will i put the reservoir in this setup? under the tables? ceilings are 8` in the space, cant build tables up too high without worrying about distance to lights.

 

[diggs99]

Maybe the simplest way for me at the moment and would cost me very little and still yield decently.

run 3 tents

1 mother tent
2 other tents with 20-22 plants each...hybrid sog?

very little veg time to fill 4x4 with 20 plants i assume.

 

[Renfro]

Yeah you could do that too.

 

[diggs99]

Yeah you could do that too.

Seems like the easy way out tho lol

Like not the best use of my count. I had it in my head to save my tents for drying rooms

I always enjoy changing things up, so i think ill build some tables to fill the 4x16 space, look more into how i want to setup watering and go from there.

I can buy 3 x the 945w cmh from sunstream for 1000.00 shipped...they can be dialed down as well. Not sure how good they are, but they are def best bang for wattage buck

Cooling will be my biggest issue. Will have to look into smaller mini split or other a/c options.
Would you think it would be beneficial to run the room sealed with co2?

 

[Renfro]

So today I did a little defoliation. There were a lot of big fan leaves blocking nodes from shooting up. Here is a before after shot



And some other after shots



I will slide another trellis down to about 8" above the bottom trellis and finish the spread training on that trellis because these plants are pressed pretty hard and the stems are getting sorta thick on some branches. Don't wanna start breaking limbs although they usually survive and do well.

 

[Renfro]

Seems like the easy way out tho lol

Like not the best use of my count. I had it in my head to save my tents for drying rooms

I always enjoy changing things up, so i think ill build some tables to fill the 4x16 space, look more into how i want to setup watering and go from there.

I can buy 3 x the 945w cmh from sunstream for 1000.00 shipped...they can be dialed down as well. Not sure how good they are, but they are def best bang for wattage buck

Cooling will be my biggest issue. Will have to look into smaller mini split or other a/c options.
Would you think it would be beneficial to run the room sealed with co2?

Sounds like a good idea, I always run CO2 and it does help.

I like to build my tables as low as possible so I have the most room for plants, lights and space between plants and lights.

With those lights you can cover a 5x5 really well so you may want larger trays.

Minisplits are the way to go because you can get ones that will run when it's cold outside (low ambient) and they also only work as hard as they have to instead of being on/off like most AC units. Also make sure it has a restart after mains outage feature because if the power goes out and back on you don't want the plants to bake.

 

[diggs99]

Sounds like a good idea, I always run CO2 and it does help.

I like to build my tables as low as possible so I have the most room for plants, lights and space between plants and lights.

With those lights you can cover a 5x5 really well so you may want larger trays.

Minisplits are the way to go because you can get ones that will run when it's cold outside (low ambient) and they also only work as hard as they have to instead of being on/off like most AC units. Also make sure it has a restart after mains outage feature because if the power goes out and back on you don't want the plants to bake.

So with this setup and knowing the space i have left to work with, where would you place a reservoir ? as you say,tables should be kept on the lower side,so underneath prob isnt an option?
Even if i went 5x16 id still have 3 feet space between the wall and plants.

 

[diggs99]

So today I did a little defoliation. There were a lot of big fan leaves blocking nodes from shooting up. Here is a before after shot

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And some other after shots

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I will slide another trellis down to about 8" above the bottom trellis and finish the spread training on that trellis because these plants are pressed pretty hard and the stems are getting sorta thick on some branches. Don't wanna start breaking limbs although they usually survive and do well.

Man they are spreading out quick, noticeable difference