UncleBuck
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Nah, that’s for the families that had slaves, dumbass
Repirations for slavery
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UncleBuck
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Oh I get it you hate jews
squarepush3r
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just following up using your own logic. Or would you be against this? Earlier you said that white people deserved to pay up.
Fogdog
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What's a Bolshevik Jew? How many were there? Care to post a link so that I can become more informed?
UncleBuck
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Any American families that owned slaves owe reparations to the families they enslaved
I know you’re slow and a bigot but that should be simple enough for even you to understand, little girl
BurtMaklin
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Minimum wage is slavery, and the cost of child/health/dental care is its whip. That doesn't include saving for retirement if you don't want to live in abject poverty.
The world was/is built on the backs of slaves, not just in the past nor is just an American thing. If we had to pay the true cost of our disposable lifestyle, the economy would come to a grinding halt and a major, hostile redistribution of assets would pretty much change the world as we know it.
Reparations aren't the answer. Reparations will be paid for by tax payers, and we all know rich (white) people and corporations don't pay their share of taxes, so you would be punishing poor and middle class Americans, black Americans included. There's nothing more American than making black Americans pay their own reparations.
The world was/is built on the backs of slaves, not just in the past nor is just an American thing. If we had to pay the true cost of our disposable lifestyle, the economy would come to a grinding halt and a major, hostile redistribution of assets would pretty much change the world as we know it.
Reparations aren't the answer. Reparations will be paid for by tax payers, and we all know rich (white) people and corporations don't pay their share of taxes, so you would be punishing poor and middle class Americans, black Americans included. There's nothing more American than making black Americans pay their own reparations.
ChiefRunningPhist
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Live in the here and now. Can't change the past only future. Make things good for all, but do so without forgetting the history.
ChiefRunningPhist
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^^^^ Can't agree more
ChiefRunningPhist
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Grandpapy
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Let's start here.
BurtMaklin
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No one cares what you think, Unclebucktard.
I'll put this out there anyway...
You could make reparations be for every American from this day forward by making child/health/dental care and a earning a living wage a human right by simply ammending the constitution. That would correct the system for Americans of all races, not just make a cheap payout to a few and correct nothing. In a payout situation, when the reparations are gone, the system is still broken.
But with all your bragging about your privilege and putting people down for being poor, or overweight, or whatever suits you at the time, it isn't about other people, it's about you. Now why don't you crawl back into your hole and pop your head up to yell Nazi at everyone who disagrees with you.
Bugeye
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I like the idea of reparations. But it strikes me as a little bit of a cold calculation. How do you really calculate a fair settlement for a dehumanizing crime? What is the value of a soul? It will never be fair because fair cannot even be defined.
On a legal front, not sure you can make someone pay for something that was legal at the time and occurred before the birth of anyone alive today. Maybe you can, I don't know, any precedent?
On a legal front, not sure you can make someone pay for something that was legal at the time and occurred before the birth of anyone alive today. Maybe you can, I don't know, any precedent?
Fogdog
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Dumb
Reparations don't have to be free money meted out by bloodlines. What a stupid idea. Of course your kind would jump to that stupid conclusion. There are better ways.
Whatever one may think about Harris, she's no novice to public policy (unlike Beto)
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703299534/sen-kamala-harris-on-reparations
Justification:
Sure. You can look at the issue of untreated and undiagnosed trauma. African-Americans have higher rates of heart disease and high blood pressure. It is environmental. It is centuries of slavery, which was a form of violence where women were raped, where children were taken from their parents - violence associated with slavery. And that never - there was never any real intervention to break up what had been generations of people experiencing the highest forms of trauma. And trauma, undiagnosed and untreated, leads to physiological outcomes.
A rational concept of what the early stages of reparations might look like:
I think that the word, the term reparations, it means different things to different people. But what I mean by it is that we need to study the effects of generations of discrimination and institutional racism and determine what can be done, in terms of intervention, to correct course.
First, she doesn't claim to have THE policy but has an objective that isn't just "pay up". Rather the policy is to own the result and commit resouces to studying and correcting the effects of the race-based abuse.
Sanders suggest we commit more resources to areas that have been chronically economically deprived. There is a middle ground where the privileged white majority commits to real reparations and not just more welfare dollars while maintaining the racist status quo.
In other words, unlike Bugeye and his fascist Republicans, address the issue with resources and intelligence.
Fogdog
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I don't think it's that easy. The objective is to make whole or repair the damage. Then, who, how, and when will we do this? Just like so many things, it's not a matter of simply paying up. Also there is the continuance of systemic racism. We need to stop fucking with people simply because they are black.
Just saying, some thought needs to be put into it. The first step, which hasn't yet been made, is to decide to own the problem we created when we decided to systematically treat a group of people as inferiors and subjugate them.
UncleBuck
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Hey everyone
The guy who celebrated alongside white supremacists on election night wants us to believe he favors reparations
We all believe him right?
blu3bird
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Nope
Sativied
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“Our share in total, of the slave trade to the New World, was never more than 5%. The smallest volume of the major european slave traders.” is what people in NL would argue to downplay their country’s responsibility. The vast vast vast majority of that 5% went to Dutch colonies in South America and the Caribbean rather than the current US.
The dutch already oppose reparations or even a decent minimum wage in the former colonies that are still part of the Netherlands, so it would be pretty pointless for descendants of slaves in the US to try. Same with many other european countries, it’s been tried (2013-2014) and is unlikely to ever happen.
It’s odd though, to suggest they should get reparations from the slave transporters but not the buyers and owners. How would that work for slaves born to slaves in the US?
Right, so if anything you don’t end up suggesting ending racism or ending black poverty makes up for slavery and qualifies as reparations rather than something that should be done regardless.
squarepush3r
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should families who owned more slaves be held to higher reparations (for example, if your family have 30 slaves, vs another family that only had 1 slave)?
Also, how do you determine "family" from 200 years ago. By last name, or genetic testing, or some other means?
Also, can we punish ancestors for other crimes as well? Or is slavery the only crime that we are allowed to do this for?
UncleBuck
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census records make it super easy
remember skunkd0c? he was a nazi, like you, who i ran off this site. gotta give credit to @travisw for the assist in that one.
travisw found all of the guy's personal information and passed it along to me. i was on ancestry.com at the time for my own family history and decided to look him up. they all had the exact same name and surname dating back for centuries. the 1850 census showed that they had about 150 people at their little country estate at the time.
his family would have to fork over all their money in reparations. that simple. they got that money from slavery, now they have to give it back. census records would make it easy to track the families they enslaved as well.
the best part of it all was that his wife was a major liberal and skunkd0c was impotent or shooting blanks so his wife adopted a black baby. the look on his face in those facebook photos of him holding his new baby was fucking priceless.