The end of suffering

[New Age United]

Damn you don't do science!

No I do science, do you? Science doesn't mean that you already know everything it has a lot to do with Learning new things, so please share any knowledge that I might be ignorant of.

 

[New Age United]

Btw there is no such thing as "empty space" even in a vacuum. Particles pop in and out even in a vacuum. Got to go! Your atoms would fly apart if not for dark matter and dark energy. We are learning the quantum realm. I had a very good conversation with an Indian doctor a few weeks ago about it. He finds it hilarious that people think they are special. I try to hang around people smarter than me. That way I can learn. I'm just a dumbass believe me. But I'm learning!

And it sounds like you have an internet addiction lol!!! This is like the 4th time you've said I got to go but you're still here.
9f course the human mind has made space into an object, just as it has with time, but in fact even the smallest particles have immense space within and around them, 99.999999% of all space is in fact completely empty.

 

[dandyrandy]

And it sounds like you have an internet addiction lol!!! This is like the 4th time you've said I got to go but you're still here.
9f course the human mind has made space into an object, just as it has with time, but in fact even the smallest particles have immense space within and around them, 99.999999% of all space is in fact completely empty.

Not really. Just got in and got a shower. 1 light travels through a vacuum. Explain. 2. quarks and other strange things pop in and out of a vacuum. Much smaller than atoms btw. 3 your atoms are held together by what? 4. Learn a bit about string theory and you will understand that there is no difference between you and a pile of dung. Let me know when you can answer those questions.

 

[dandyrandy]

No I do science, do you? Science doesn't mean that you already know everything it has a lot to do with Learning new things, so please share any knowledge that I might be ignorant of.

I don't know everything. Only a fool says that. But it seems in another universe you may be smarter. Or dumber.

 

[New Age United]

Not really. Just got in and got a shower. 1 light travels through a vacuum. Explain. 2. quarks and other strange things pop in and out of a vacuum. Much smaller than atoms btw. 3 your atoms are held together by what? 4. Learn a bit about string theory and you will understand that there is no difference between you and a pile of dung. Let me know when you can answer those questions.

No I can't answer those questions but could you please explain how that goes against what I am saying about space?

As for your second response, are you aware of the ego in you, do you have any idea how unintelligent the ego is, it likes to feel intelligent, of course the mind wants to feel intelligent, you are not hitting anything in me by insulting me, there are no buttons to press, there is no ego.

 

[old buzzard]

the key here is the word string( theory). Hey Randy I wanted you to know where I am coming from.I cannot debate science with faith or vice versa.I completely understand where you are coming from.I want to use a Farmer as an example if that's all right.As that is how I taught my children about faith.A farmer has to have faith, a great farmer needs great faith.In fact without the military,law enforcement and farming society falls apart.The bible says faith is the evidence of things hoped for but not yet seen.As I have watched farmers over the years, they work their butts off to prepare fields then invest their money in seed and fertilizer and so many other things.When I drive by them I see them plowing.But they see the harvest when I talk to them.They invest everything their family has because they believe there is going to be a harvest.Faith prompted them to work and invest,If they did not have the faith to do that, then they would not have seen the harvest come to be.Their faith was the evidence of the harvest, before there was a harvest they seen it.Likewise for me I believe there is a God and he is who he says he is even though he is not standing in front of me.After I accepted him in Faith I began to see him all around me.Involved in my everyday life and my family.Like the wind you cannot see the wind but you can see the results or the effects of it blowing.It is so real to me, I cannot even explain it to you.As real as anything in this physical world.But this is the Spiritual world I am talking about.We were given a physical body that makes us aware of physical things.we were also given a spirit to make us aware of spiritual things.Like the physical body we need to feed it,The spiritual body needs to be fed spiritual things or it will be sick also.I do not think any less of anyone who does not see what I see.No more than I would say the farmer is crazy when he sees a harvest that is not there yet.I think we will usually find what we go looking for and you and I are merely looking for different things.That does not make either one of us a fool or to be made a joke of.sometimes we make fun of things we do not understand.hopefully that helps you understand where I was coming from.I believe you are likely a very smart individual .You have a good day sir and may you and yours be blessed.

 

[dandyrandy]

No I can't answer those questions but could you please explain how that goes against what I am saying about space?

As for your second response, are you aware of the ego in you, do you have any idea how unintelligent the ego is, it likes to feel intelligent, of course the mind wants to feel intelligent, you are not hitting anything in me by insulting me, there are no buttons to press, there is no ego.

Oh good lord here we go with the psychiatrist bs. I'm not insulting you. Pride is in you. If you can't explain things except in a mumbo jumbo incantation then you need some self help. You are talking nonsense. None provable. I'm not intelligent. I just believe facts. No more comments about your poor little self. Grow up.

 

[dandyrandy]

the key here is the word string( theory). Hey Randy I wanted you to know where I am coming from.I cannot debate science with faith or vice versa.I completely understand where you are coming from.I want to use a Farmer as an example if that's all right.As that is how I taught my children about faith.A farmer has to have faith, a great farmer needs great faith.In fact without the military,law enforcement and farming society falls apart.The bible says faith is the evidence of things hoped for but not yet seen.As I have watched farmers over the years, they work their butts off to prepare fields then invest their money in seed and fertilizer and so many other things.When I drive by them I see them plowing.But they see the harvest when I talk to them.They invest everything their family has because they believe there is going to be a harvest.Faith prompted them to work and invest,If they did not have the faith to do that, then they would not have seen the harvest come to be.Their faith was the evidence of the harvest, before there was a harvest they seen it.Likewise for me I believe there is a God and he is who he says he is even though he is not standing in front of me.After I accepted him in Faith I began to see him all around me.Involved in my everyday life and my family.Like the wind you cannot see the wind but you can see the results or the effects of it blowing.It is so real to me, I cannot even explain it to you.As real as anything in this physical world.But this is the Spiritual world I am talking about.We were given a physical body that makes us aware of physical things.we were also given a spirit to make us aware of spiritual things.Like the physical body we need to feed it,The spiritual body needs to be fed spiritual things or it will be sick also.I do not think any less of anyone who does not see what I see.No more than I would say the farmer is crazy when he sees a harvest that is not there yet.I think we will usually find what we go looking for and you and I are merely looking for different things.That does not make either one of us a fool or to be made a joke of.sometimes we make fun of things we do not understand.hopefully that helps you understand where I was coming from.I believe you are likely a very smart individual .You have a good day sir and may you and yours be blessed.

What a load. I am blessed. But you have zero power to bless. Thoughts and prayers.

 

[New Age United]

Oh good lord here we go with the psychiatrist bs. I'm not insulting you. Pride is in you. If you can't explain things except in a mumbo jumbo incantation then you need some self help. You are talking nonsense. None provable. I'm not intelligent. I just believe facts. No more comments about your poor little self. Grow up.

Did I strike a nerve lol!!! So serious humanity

 

[dandyrandy]

Did I strike a nerve lol!!! So serious humanity

No hardly. You are not teachable. Waste of time. Knock yourself out.

 

[New Age United]

No hardly. You are not teachable. Waste of time. Knock yourself out.

You sound very unconfident in the subject. "If you cannot explain it to a child you don't understand it yourself "

 

[JohnDee]

just as the sun can be blotted out by the storm so to can the Light within you be covered up by the storm of thoughts and emotions

I like this...very clearly stated

But seriously...why re-invent the wheel? There's Zen, Hindu thought, Rhadi Swami teaching (Sikism) and so on. Anyone who seeks the comfort (or whatever) that Religion provides have all those choices.
JD

 

[New Age United]

I like this...very clearly stated

But seriously...why re-invent the wheel? There's Zen, Hindu thought, Rhadi Swami teaching (Sikism) and so on. Anyone who seeks the comfort (or whatever) that Religion provides have all those choices.
JD

Yes you hit the nail on the head, Zen, that is exactly what I am trying to teach, but it is not a religion Zen is the state of no mind, or no thought, perfect stillness and Presence, it has nothing to do with faith or ideology.

 

[JohnDee]

Why are you offering us a way out of suffering if peace "already exists" within us?

This is essentially the same question a young Dogen Zenji asked his teacher. This struggle with understanding was the beginning of the Soto school in early 1200 AD.

Masao Abe wrote several books on the this and are more accessible then the actual 800 year Shobogenzo.
JD

 

[yummy fur]

Pain is not sorrow.

 

[New Age United]

Pain is not sorrow.

Do you care to delve a little deeper???

 

[yummy fur]

Do you care to delve a little deeper???

Well when I hear about 'suffering' as in 'life is suffering' and stuff like that, I often find that there is a confusion between physical pain and the sort of torment that is unique to the human animal. I think in any talk about 'suffering' we first need to define what we're talking about. I mean I've read the first post and there is no clarity there at all.

I don't even know if the original post is serious or sarcastic, or somewhere 'twixt the two.

So perhaps you could clarify what you mean by 'suffering' and what you mean by 'I can show you the way out', which if you analyse it is in fact a contradiction.

 

[JohnDee]

Good morning,
The suffering that Buddhists often refer to is related to the human desire for more. To possess more...to eat more...to have more stimulation and so on. And even once we get the things we desire...we are not content because those desires have been replaced by a whole new set of desires. This is the trap...and Buddhists strive through meditation to overcome desire. Not really about physical pain at all...which is a sensation.
JD

 

[New Age United]

Well when I hear about 'suffering' as in 'life is suffering' and stuff like that, I often find that there is a confusion between physical pain and the sort of torment that is unique to the human animal. I think in any talk about 'suffering' we first need to define what we're talking about. I mean I've read the first post and there is no clarity there at all.

I don't even know if the original post is serious or sarcastic, or somewhere 'twixt the two.

So perhaps you could clarify what you mean by 'suffering' and what you mean by 'I can show you the way out', which if you analyse it is in fact a contradiction.

The suffering I refer to is mental emotional "unease" and as John said it can be caused by unfulfilled desire. No I wasn't being sarcastic and i don't see how i contradict myself i don't know how you came to those conclusions.

 

[yummy fur]

The suffering I refer to is mental emotional "unease" and as John said it can be caused by unfulfilled desire. No I wasn't being sarcastic and i don't see how i contradict myself i don't know how you came to those conclusions.

OK so you are correctly referring to the human condition as manifested in ideas that we have about ourselves, as 'suffering' or 'sorrow' the words are interchangeable for the purposes of this discussion. Your intro post is so preposterous as to inevitably be taken as sarcasm or parody. I mean who just begins a thread saying "I can solve the human problem".

The contradiction is in the 'showing' the 'way out', but more on that later, for the moment without defining terms better, we have to assume that you know the 'way out' of the human condition, if that is the case then you will be able to state what exactly is this human condition and by what means of knowledge you intend to use. And how will the 'suffering' be ended.

as John said it can be caused by unfulfilled desire

It's not possible to have a meaningful discussion if weasel words like the above are allowed to pass without comment. So here goes... Either say "it is caused by unfulfilled desire", or don't say it at all. I'm not trying to be argumentative here it's a serious point. Do you see?

The problem is deeper than a so called 'unfulfilled desire' as a little rudimentary analysis can show. In fact this is the common error that nearly all people make.