Why are moderates pretending to be progressive?

Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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92x7000/5150 said:
Sanders was cheated out of the nomination was an invention of Russian intelligence.
Repeated ad nauseam as fact by the Sanders supporters here
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Trump warns Sanders he is being cheated again
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/28/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-biden-1291377

Yep, and he's doing it again. And a whole lot of Sanders supporters, including the three on this site, will do exactly what Trimp wants them to do, pout and waste their votes (thankfully, only two of the three can actually vote). I just don't get their mindset, they are so damn stupid. They made it so easy.

In 2016, I supported Sanders and, when he lost, worked my ass off for Hillary because I knew what a disaster Trimp would be. But many just whined and moaned and did nothing and now they come to the table feeling like they are entitled to something. I don't support Bernie now, in large part because of the way his supporters have acted (so pure - lol) but also because better candidates are running that have a better chance of beating Trimp. Plus, his platform is weak. Not to mention the fact that their campaigns won't be weighed down with as many gullible idiots that act just like Trimp supporters.
 
srh88

srh88

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Unclebaldrick said:
Trump warns Sanders he is being cheated again
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/28/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-biden-1291377

Yep, and he's doing it again. And a whole lot of Sanders supporters, including the three on this site, will do exactly what Trimp wants them to do, pout and waste their votes (thankfully, only two of the three can actually vote). I just don't get their mindset, they are so damn stupid. In 2016, I supported Sanders and, when he lost, worked my ass off for Hillary because I knew what a disaster Trimp would be. But many just whined and moaned and did nothing and now they come to the table feeling like they are entitled to something. I don't support Bernie now, in large part because of the way his supporters have acted (so pure - lol) but also because better candidates are running that have a better chance of beating Trimp. Plus, his platform is weak. Not to mention the fact that their campaigns won't be weighed down with as many gullible idiots that act just like Trimp supporters.
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Poor barnie.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
really? i guess you haven't checked sleazy uncle pedo's platform..looks surprisingly like sanders' from 2016- back when uncle sleazy was known as 'establishment'.
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Sanders is OK, he's insufficient. Biden is OK, he has too long of a track record of writing authoritarian anti-black people bills and says that a moratorium on drilling on federal land is extreme. Neither will get my vote in the primary. Both are better than Trump. Your have been told before that I prefer somebody who is not over 70 to be president.

You are deaf and stupid.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Fogdog said:
Didn't you see the Russian propaganda that @ttystikk was citing the other day? The Authoritarian Left (your kind are not progressive) are tools of Putin. The Authoritarian Left suck Putin's cock.
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She's very not bright. Possible dementia but I think she has always been this way. I have seen a lot of evidence that suggests that that is the case.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Unclebaldrick said:
She's very not bright. Possible dementia but I think she has always been this way. I have seen a lot of evidence that suggests that that is the case.
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Well that’s just not true. She has stated her IQ is in the top 10 percentile, she left the results at one of her many gated homes. She should go pick that up.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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MidwestGorilla219 said:
I lean more left than right but I never pretended to be progressive and I don't know any moderates that do.
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Those Cult of Sanders aren't progressive, though. A real progressive is somebody who supports progress. There can be left or right progressives. Note: small "p" The moderate left you describe fit that term well. The ACA was progressive. Maybe more than some moderates wanted. 9 years on, moderates have come to support it. Most crucial though is we -- progressives and moderates want competent and clean government. The SNAFU that we experienced when Obamacare went live was a huge factor in bringing Republicans into control of Congress. I feel that the SNAFU was due to Republican interference. Regardless, the US public won't abide shit storms like the one we had during the early days of Obamacare. We don't abide with the crappy way Trump runs the government either.

Sanders Medicare For All bill is radical in that, all at once, it completely changes the way a quarter of this economy is run. Its radical change. Shoves everybody into Medicare and makes them pay for it whether or not they like the plan they are in. Forces doctors to accept whatever the government is willing to pay. Its an Authoritarian Radical Left, not progressive left legislation. We won't abide mistakes with our healthcare delivery system and Sanders doesn't seem to be the kind of leader who can manage that large a change all at once. It would take a real policy wonk over achiever who works well with others to pull it off. I couldn't name one leader today who could do it.

The truly laughable part of their appropriation of the term "Progressive" is that Sanders made no progress whatsoever during his 14 years as a Senator.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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92x7000/5150 said:
Nothing wrong with
"Medicare for all,if you want it"
It's called the public option.
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Nothing wrong with it. Well, maybe there is.

I think people will be shocked at the price tag if its not subsidized. The govt has done better at controlling costs through the ACA than Medicare. ACA was a negotiated system with the hospitals and doctors that allowed more innovation than what is done by Medicare. Also, some places don't have enough healthcare providers willing to accept Medicare patients because it doesn't pay enough. This also leads to poor service because doctors have to manage time more closely than fits the needs of patients.

I wan't progress and competent government. I want everybody to have access to good healthcare. I want it rolled out without huge mistakes and I want hospitals to have enough income so they don't have to do draconian cuts in staff to make it work. I want to see a road map that eventually brings our health care costs and quality of service in line with other developed countries

I'm not sure that Medicare is the sole solution that fits these criteria. I'm more in the camp of what Elizabeth Warren is proposing, which is improvements to the ACA along with giving people the choice to buy into Medicare.

Still, the public option, if that's all we do is better than the effed up thing Sanders cobbled together in his inadequate embarrassment of a bill.
 
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92x7000/5150

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Fogdog said:
Nothing wrong with it. Well, maybe there is.

I think people will be shocked at the price tag if its not subsidized. The govt has done better at controlling costs through the ACA than Medicare. ACA was a negotiated system with the hospitals and doctors that allowed more innovation than what is done by Medicare. Also, some places don't have enough healthcare providers willing to accept Medicare patients because it doesn't pay enough. This also leads to poor service because doctors have to manage time more closely than fits the needs of patients.

I wan't progress and competent government. I want everybody to have access to good healthcare. I want it rolled out without huge mistakes and I want hospitals to have enough income so they don't have to do draconian cuts in staff to make it work. I want to see a road map that eventually brings our health care costs and quality of service in line with other developed countries

I'm not sure that Medicare is the sole solution that fits these criteria. I'm more in the camp of what Elizabeth Warren is proposing, which is improvements to the ACA along with giving people the choice to buy into Medicare.

Still, the public option, if that's all we do is better than the effed up thing Sanders cobbled together in his inadequate embarrassment of a bill.
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Own the market.
Dictate the terms.
 
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