High Light efficiency tests (TEKNIK) - 2.47 umol/j CRI 94.2

[Randomblame]

Cheers dude. I figured it out to a degree, going to download dialux 4 as its a simpler program and that's all we need.
There were just too many options on 8.

Looks like you have almost exactly what I wanted to see in your last post though, will still play around with the different currents and spacings.

Thanks for the dialux 4 tipp! The easier the better, I hate complicated UI's...

 

[coreywebster]

Thanks for the dialux 4 tipp! The easier the better, I hate complicated UI's...

 

[Randomblame]

Hey RB, how bout you please give us the ies for dummies tutorial: install, setup, blastoff?

Yeah!!

Come on RB shake off the man flu and pull out your finger.
We need guidance.

Lol, you guys are great... I've not used dialux myself and ...
I don't think you guys really need a tutorial how to install an .exe file or its mac pondant.

 

[Or_Gro]

Hi Stephen, I got an email from TEKNIK to say his machine was "not a normal goniometer" and that he believed it was quite accurate. I wish he was here to explain everything himself, but I can only relay messages.

Just messing around Dialux I plugged in @Or_Gro 's PAR map data and I got pretty close. Have a look. I had to take a couple of liberties because I only have an IES file for 1.5A, which is 70W per board (560W total). Also, the boards have to be evenly spaced in Dialux 4 (not sure how to group them), but it is close enough.

Here we compare 560W at 18" for the IES file and 600W at 18" for Or_Gro's PAR map. There may be a couple of anomalies, but they are pretty close. To reiterate, the IES file is about 40W short of Or_Gro's actual test. The room is 1.2m x 1.2m (4'x4') and the walls are set to 80% reflectivity.

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For most growers, the benefits of being “close” to actual results, for their setup, beats the hell out of what light companies offer or fail to offer them now.

If these companies need to have it done by a lab with a gantry, measuring 1000s of points...f#ckin do it, it’s a onetime set of measurements, with endless usefullness...for customers.

Now, this stuff needs to be put into a smartphone app that any lazy dumbass can quickly, and easily use.

 

[Or_Gro]

Here is my 4'x2' room at 280W (70W per board x 4) at 12" with 80% reflective walls.
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Same again at 70% reflectivity
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Here is a typical 3' x 3' with the boards mounted as a pair with a 320 driver (3.5A, or 168W per board = 336W total) and 70% walls
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Same again with 80% walls
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You can see how much the reflective tent makes a difference. So, too, does overlapping light. The moral of the story is, mount your panels closer to the walls than each other if you want more even coverage.

This just confirms what i have learned by doing the mapping wiith a par meter; especially with the 96 elites.

 

[Or_Gro]

Since you've got the hang of this, how bout plotting my Southern Alps layout for Vesuviou :
Veg 500ppfd at 18inches and 24.

I'll try get my technically challenged grey matter to try as well.

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Making this approach easy to use is the main challenge, accuracy seems close enuff.

 

[Or_Gro]

Once again, thanks Teknik and Prawn!

Thanks prawn for doing mine...i have a feeling you will be getting requests from all who have bought these boards.

 

[Prawn Connery]

Since you've got the hang of this, how bout plotting my Southern Alps layout for Vesuviou :
Veg 500ppfd at 18inches and 24.

I'll try get my technically challenged grey matter to try as well.

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Hey mate, well you won't have any trouble filling that 4.5 x 4.5. Here is the plot at 2.5A (120W per board) at 24". One thing I'm learning from this program is that the closer to the corners you can get the panels, the more even the light spread.

Of course, this map doesn't take into account your T5 reptile bulbs, so there will be even more light in there.

80% reflectivity


70% reflectivity

 

[coreywebster]

^^^ Holy tits frank ^^^

 

[Or_Gro]

Hey mate, well you won't have any trouble filling that 4.5 x 4.5. Here is the plot at 2.5A (120W per board) at 24". One thing I'm learning from this program is that the closer to the corners you can get the panels, the more even the light spread.

Of course, this map doesn't take into account your T5 reptile bulbs, so there will be even more light in there.

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70% reflectivity
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No excuses now FC!

 

[Frank Cannon]

Well that is a bit over 500ppfd so lets take a punt on it while you reconfigure your x files.

8 boards times 60 watts for 500ppfd at 450w from the wall?

I really don't want to run over 900ppfd in bloom as my skills don't dictate a success, so while you have that config slapped in show me the money at 80w per board pls.

I am sure you laughed at OGs 6 x 96 layout in a tent with the outer ones a couple of inches from the edge of the tent

OG I have all the excuses in the world.......(just one less now)

 

[Or_Gro]

Well that is a bit over 500ppfd so lets take a punt on it while you reconfigure your x files.

8 boards times 60 watts for 500ppfd at 450w from the wall?

I really don't want to run over 900ppfd in bloom as my skills don't dictate a success, so while you have that config slapped in show me the money at 80w per board pls.

I am sure you laughed at OGs 6 x 96 layout in a tent with the outer ones a couple of inches from the edge of the tent

OG I have all the excuses in the world.......(just one less now)

You’re a good egg, man...we need a world of people like you...

 

[Prawn Connery]

You’re a good egg, man...we need a world of people like you...

Be careful what you wish for!

Well that is a bit over 500ppfd so lets take a punt on it while you reconfigure your x files.

8 boards times 60 watts for 500ppfd at 450w from the wall?

I really don't want to run over 900ppfd in bloom as my skills don't dictate a success, so while you have that config slapped in show me the money at 80w per board pls.

I am sure you laughed at OGs 6 x 96 layout in a tent with the outer ones a couple of inches from the edge of the tent

OG I have all the excuses in the world.......(just one less now)

You too.

70W per board (560W total) at 15"

 

[ANC]

Well that is a bit over 500ppfd so lets take a punt on it while you reconfigure your x files.

8 boards times 60 watts for 500ppfd at 450w from the wall?

I really don't want to run over 900ppfd in bloom as my skills don't dictate a success, so while you have that config slapped in show me the money at 80w per board pls.

I am sure you laughed at OGs 6 x 96 layout in a tent with the outer ones a couple of inches from the edge of the tent

OG I have all the excuses in the world.......(just one less now)

There is a volumetric dimension of light specifications, that often takes deliberate discovery before people pay it any attention.
A light that can average any random light level from 1' away is a very different beast from one that does the same thing from 3 feet away.
And so are the types of canopy you can optimally light with either.

Just want to put it out there.

 

[tstick]

There is a volumetric dimension of light specifications, that often takes deliberate discovery before people pay it any attention.
A light that can average any random light level from 1' away is a very different beast from one that does the same thing from 3 feet away.
And so are the types of canopy you can optimally light with either.

Just want to put it out there.

Yep. That's absolutely right. For a SCROG or SOG type canopy, you want that wide, even dispersion of the photons...but if you're only growing one lollipop plant then maybe a Kessil light would suffice.

 

[Frank Cannon]

Be careful what you wish for!


You too.

70W per board (560W total) at 15"
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Nice thanks bro, I think that spread / wattage / height is probably what I'll aim for at the end of stretch. With the odd cola getting down to 10-12 inches. I really like the idea of bringing total watts back down closer to the 6-700 mark.

 

[Frank Cannon]

Prawn what did you use for your initial tuition with dialux.

I have downloaded dialux 4 and unzipped your files. Cannot savefiles to data base or insert into project. What icon gets me to board layout - I did manage to set room size!

F#$k I am hopeless

 

[Or_Gro]

Prawn what did you use for your initial tuition with dialux.

I have downloaded dialux 4 and unzipped your files. Cannot savefiles to data base or insert into project. What icon gets me to board layout - I did manage to set room size!

F#$k I am hopeless

You got farther than me....

 

[Prawn Connery]

Use the Wizard. You can find it in the drop-down menu under "File". You want "DIALux Light Wizard".

I don't pretend to know how to use all this software, but this is the simplest solution I could find to get results. But I've also needed to use a couple of work-arounds.




Once inside, you need to set your room geometry, reflective factors and luminaire selection - here you can import the IES files by clicking "Catalogues" and going to "My Database".

When you import an IES file, you must give it dimensions - type "380mm x 185mm x 2mm" in both fields.

If you can't see the IES file when trying to import it, try "All Files". If you can't see the files after you have imported them, click "Delete My Database" but DON'T delete it - the files should show up and you can exit. This is a bug with my machine - not sure if any of you will suffer the same.

One quirk of the system is the panels shine directly on to the roof - not the ground (I haven't been able to find a way to reverse this). See where it says "Workplace"? You can see the red line above it where the luminare is shining on the roof (orientation). When setting "Workplace Height" you need to work in reverse.

The height of the room in this example is 1m. The High Lights are set 600mm from the ground - or 400mm from the ceiling (distance from illuminated surface). If you wanted 2' height, you would set it at 400mm from the ground = 600mm (2') to the illuminated surface.

Also note I have set the walls and ground to 70% reflectivity and ceiling to 20%. This is the "upside down" configuration - the ceiling is really the ground in this example and vice versa.



On the next page you can play around with your High Light configuration. Once you are happy with it, click "Calculate" and watch the magic happen. Be sure you have selected the correct luminaire, as sometimes it defaults to a certain luminaire when you click back and forth between pages. Yes, there are a few bugs . . . At least with my machine.




Here is the calculation.

 

[Randomblame]

Prawn what did you use for your initial tuition with dialux.

I have downloaded dialux 4 and unzipped your files. Cannot savefiles to data base or insert into project. What icon gets me to board layout - I did manage to set room size!

F#$k I am hopeless

Have you tried to just import all files like PC has mentioned in one of his posts above? The other files are not visible in dialux but you should be able see the ies files in the list.

Edit:
Too slow... Tse..