40+ lbs with 12 Plants in 2 Rooms on a Flip

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max420thc

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thenasty1 said:
3+ per is most certainly possible, even under 8 ft ceilings. with de, at least
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More then that is possible, I know a guy who gets 3.5 consistently under double Ender's and he grows nothing but OG strains .
I seen a guy get 4 lbs off one plant in a 100 gallon drain to waste 1 1000 watt HPS(toasty) I can do over 4 lbs on a lamp , so could the guy who got the 4 lbs from one plant ,
I thought he was crazy to fuck with the one plant training it for so long , he didnt have a plant count limit so he was justt doing it to prove a point , not because he had to. He could have thrown a dozen plants under the same light with no veg and get the same or better results. To get to the numbers he is trying four he has 60 gallons of growing media , a general rule of thumb , outdoors is 100 gallons of dirt will produce around 4 lbs of product ,3 months or so of veg, some plants can do more, some less , usually in hydro you can produce about the same weight in dirt with half the growing material, in my opinion , and i am not saying it cant be done , he has more then enough light to produce his desired outcome , what he lacks is root mass and and the plants are to thick to alow deeper penetration into the plants for the bud to develop deep enough into the plant to develop the weight he is looking to get. Each ten gallon container he has has to produce over 3.5 lbs per plant in ten gallons of material , can it be done ? Sure , but it takes a lot more than ten gallons of root space, in actuallity with the lights he has on these plants with enough root space he could be getting over double his production , just not in that amount of root area. Just my opinion. This is not knocking anything being done evertthing this man is doing takes a pile of hard work , investment to accomplish , he is obviously a very good grower that works hard at it.
 
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Making me wanna try a run with some larger pots. I just need to find ones that are wider not taller and that I can plumb to the drain without standing water. Any ideas on some 15 or 20 gallon pots that would work for me?

I do know that when I went from 5 gallon to 10 my yields increased. The plants in 5 gallon buckets used to want water about every 18 hours at their peak, with these 10 gallon ones they were at 19 hours peaked this round, so perhaps I could get even better yields if I can setup something that drains to waste cleanly and doesn't add height to my equation. I would totally be down to give it a go.

Lets all get creative. Help me find the right buckets! I will buy them and give them a go!

My current 10 gallon buckets are 17 inches tall and double stacked for drain collection they end up at 21 inches tall from the floor to the rim.
 
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Renfro said:
Making me wanna try a run with some larger pots. I just need to find ones that are wider not taller and that I can plumb to the drain without standing water. Any ideas on some 15 or 20 gallon pots that would work for me?

I do know that when I went from 5 gallon to 10 my yields increased. The plants in 5 gallon buckets used to want water about every 18 hours at their peak, with these 10 gallon ones they were at 19 hours peaked this round, so perhaps I could get even better yields if I can setup something that drains to waste cleanly and doesn't add height to my equation. I would totally be down to give it a go.

Lets all get creative. Help me find the right buckets! I will buy them and give them a go!

My current 10 gallon buckets are 17 inches tall and double stacked for drain collection they end up at 21 inches tall from the floor to the rim.
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I ran 5 gallon buckets that sat in deep trays. The trays would fill up when I watered but the next day everything would be dry.

The biggest I pulled from that was 27oz dry.
 
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Renfro said:
Making me wanna try a run with some larger pots. I just need to find ones that are wider not taller and that I can plumb to the drain without standing water. Any ideas on some 15 or 20 gallon pots that would work for me?

I do know that when I went from 5 gallon to 10 my yields increased. The plants in 5 gallon buckets used to want water about every 18 hours at their peak, with these 10 gallon ones they were at 19 hours peaked this round, so perhaps I could get even better yields if I can setup something that drains to waste cleanly and doesn't add height to my equation. I would totally be down to give it a go.

Lets all get creative. Help me find the right buckets! I will buy them and give them a go!

My current 10 gallon buckets are 17 inches tall and double stacked for drain collection they end up at 21 inches tall from the floor to the rim.
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These are a little taller, but almost 3x the size so perhaps just not filling them to the top would get you the height you need?
https://www.webstaurantstore.com/rubbermaid-brute-28-gallon-square-red-trash-can-and-lid/69028RDTCKIT.html
 
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Renfro said:
Once stacked in a pair they look like they would add about 8 or 9 inches, yeah I could fill the top one lower though. So not completely out of consideration. I will save that link.
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its just the first ones I came across when you asked, but that sort of bucket is what I pictured. I bet if you stacked them and cut the inner bucket to the same height as the outer bucket you could save more vertical space.
 
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Renfro said:
Making me wanna try a run with some larger pots. I just need to find ones that are wider not taller and that I can plumb to the drain without standing water. Any ideas on some 15 or 20 gallon pots that would work for me?

I do know that when I went from 5 gallon to 10 my yields increased. The plants in 5 gallon buckets used to want water about every 18 hours at their peak, with these 10 gallon ones they were at 19 hours peaked this round, so perhaps I could get even better yields if I can setup something that drains to waste cleanly and doesn't add height to my equation. I would totally be down to give it a go.

Lets all get creative. Help me find the right buckets! I will buy them and give them a go!

My current 10 gallon buckets are 17 inches tall and double stacked for drain collection they end up at 21 inches tall from the floor to the rim.
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They make live stock water containers yoi can get them at tractor supply company or on line , they are short to the floor to allow more cieling hight , many also come with drains , a plus , you can get them up to 100 gallons or more , you could if you wanted to plant 2 plants in them or three , I think I would go between 30 and 50 gallon per plant to achieve the numbers you want ,
 
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So I still don't see any pollen sacs forming on my seed experiment in the tent so I am suspecting my silver nitrate solution I ordered from amazon is weak or dead. I am gonna stop applying it for this round and just let the flowers finish out. Try again next time.
 
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I am definitely considering the storage tote idea for the round after next, I already have the plants in 10 gallon for the next round. With a tote I could definitely go wider and not taller to get the added capacity. This would be great because it gets old having to water so often lol.
 
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Damn totally just finished reading this entire thread so amazing; no wonder I see so many people look up to you and your skins renfro!
I was curious because I'm doing an ebb and flow and I've been trying to hit a constant 2lb+ each 5x5 but I've been having trouble
My veg room I've got two 4.5x4.5 tables with 600watts each, currently a swamp bucket trying to get my humidity up since it's usually low 30% now I got it around 40s. Have 3 good mothers but it's definitely finicky getting them to root since when I put the domes on it gets pretty moist on my rockwool.
My whole plan is to do 2lb+ every 3 weeks. My flower room has 3 5x5 tables currently bought 40 peyote cookie seeds and I'm legit going to give them about a 30day(40-45days in total) I got a set of cob lights that run at 850w each light and one HPS running at 1100w. Currently havent hit anywhere close to 2lbs, I wish I could do 3lbs that would be sweet but its been tough!
I got some clones going right now on one of my tables about 70+ of them and they look amazing. Cant really tell how much it could yield but they're praying to the HPS. Any advice on constantly hitting 2+ a light?
Flood&Drain rockwool 6inch 40seeds/75+clones a table
 
Renfro

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Well genetics is gonna be key. Also tuning the timing of everything is key. You prefer a strain that will stretch really good when you flip it. You want a strain that likes to make big colas because in a SoG the idea is to just have a big canopy of colas. Prune all the bottom branches at about day 20 of 12/12. Use some hortitrellis to support the tops, not that saggy string netting. With 6 inch trellis you want four plants per sq/ft, one cola to pop up in each 6 inch square.

Root the cuts REALLY good. I would use rapid rooters, a seedling heat mat and a really well sealed dome. Take BIG 6 Inch cuttings! If you are good you should get 100% rooted and have really long bundles of roots that you need to take care when pushing the rapid rooters up out of the trays. The roots will grow together in the tray channels. Just gently separate them, they should be white and healthy. I have pulled 2 lbs a light in 4x4 with 6 inch square pots with hydroton. They did get pretty rootbound by the end of a 60 day cycle, with no veg. I would prefer using hydroton in small net pots through a tray cover with a coco mat in the bottom of the tray. Just let the roots go wild under the cover. Net pots are there just to hold the plant up so small means less rocks to wash. You may wanna put some PVC legs on the bottom of the cover so it won't sag in the tray. Probably just glue them on.

Get a good mother plant or plants so you can cut a bunch of clones that will be identical and grow the same. When potting take any plants that are a little lagging and put them in the middle of the light footprint. This way they end up as a stadium arrangement with shorter plants in the middle but you shouldn't have this issue, cloning is key.

Once you know exactly how much to veg them and how long to flower them to get about 20 - 21 grams per plant you will have a fine tuned machine with clones cut and 20 day rooted ready to go as soon as the tray is harvested.

Also have a large reservoir thats low, save that vertical space for plants, light and space between them. My 20 - 21 gram Shiva plants did no veg, straight to 12/12 after potted and they ended up as 40 - 44 inch tall lolipops. Big cola and maybe two fat nugs below that. All the rest was pruned off at day 20. That strain rocked though for a SoG. Big colas, big stretch. She was done in 60 days so I had a 20 day cycle, every 20 days chop and reload the tray, cut clones.

Vitagrow Antiwilt is a sweet product for cloning. That and some cloning gel is what I use with the Rapid Rooters.

Have healthy moms, keep them bug free.

A good reservoir design is to build a frame the size of the tray out of 2x12 lumber and lag bolts, line it with pond liner. Then you can put some braces across the top to set the tray on, I like strut channel for that. Now you have a large reservoir that you can set the tray directly on and its only about a foot from the floor to the tray bottom.

I hope all that made sense.
 
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