Fogdog
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Why wouldn't they if Medicare is better?
Why do you oppose universal, single-payer healthcare?
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blu3bird
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LOL, ok
Have you ever heard Fogdog mention his mother? She's on Medicare and still has to pay for some things with the little bit of limited income she has left. That is pretty fucking great, ain't it?
tangerinegreen555
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The plan they get in the senate, gold level Obama care.
Padawanbater2
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The only plan better than Medicare is what congress gets? Who funds that again?
scumrot derelict
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IDK, he kind of sold me here... "AT LEAST HE'S HONEST!"
tangerinegreen555
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They pay 28% of the premium. I'll bet it passed 535-0.The only plan better than Medicare is what congress gets? Who funds that again?
Fogdog
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The private insurance I have doesn't pay 100% for a lot of expensive treatments. Something like 80-20 for hospital bills, surgery, other high cost treatment. It's not all that different from the current form of Medicare in that regard. She buys supplemental insurance to cover those items. When she went down hard and spent several weeks in the hospital, Medicare and AARP insurance covered it all.
But, yeah, she's running out of money. When she does, I apply for Medicaid and start dealing with them. Its a big unknown and not a trivial concern. Literally, her life depends on Medicaid stepping in and my managing the transition seamlessly.
The plan Bernie espouses (if enacted) says it will pay 100%. No insurance premiums, no co pays, no shared costs. Conceptually, it's better than existing coverage, private or Medicare. If true. If it doesn't disrupt services, if, if, if. If it goes wrong, if the healthcare system is overloaded and waiting times get long or service is interrupted. Mom dies. I prefer public option so that people will be able to compare and decide for themselves. This isn't a decision that should be left to the state alone.
Fogdog
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How does a person like you manage to breathe and chew gum at the same time?The only plan better than Medicare is what congress gets? Who funds that again?
dandyrandy
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dandyrandy
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My wife who has worked for various doctors over 40 years would disagree with that statement. She worked for the head of the children's hospital board for several years. He's since retired. He traveled the world on his own dime to treat kids free. Funny story, we are bought tickets to an event that honered my wife's boss and installed a new head of this doctors association. Tux required. I rented a tux of course. The Dr paid for the tickets at $1000 a pop for my wife and myself.it was at the underground railroad center. Guy playing the piano, limos dropping people off. Everyone there was a Dr or someone VIP. Except us. My wife and I checked out the museum which was closed to the public that evening. On the way back up the elevator this black group of people got on the elevator and we chatted a bit. No tuxes. Just street clothes. The heavyset young lady was very nice. We all get off the elevator and went to our assigned seats. We were seated with the doctor my wife worked for as well as other VIPs. After numerous speeches and award ceremonies the young heavyset black lady in street clothes took the podium. She was voted by her peers to take over the head position of this organization. Hell I figured she was a server. Odd how we think. Not dressed like the others. She gave her story and was truly self made. 4 different doctorate degrees and she looked around 35 ish. She ran numerous clinics for inner city and low income. Now the last doctor my wife worked for who came from Canada is about one thing. Money.
Wait. am I wrong? You are out in front of the White House picketing? Taking part in marches? Shutting down a major highway in protest? No, you are just another person saying stick it to big industry when it's not their fault that Americans are pussies. Until Americans understand that the power and the money lies with us nothing is going to change.
lol, yeah that sounds awesome. Having to choose which plan you can afford based on your optimistic forecast of your health. Meanwhile countries with universal healthcare just have plans that....well cover EVERYTHING and is cheaper than America. Believe me guy, it's no much better. The unhealthiest I have been in my life has been since moving to America. Even with full coverage I end up not going to the doctor as much as I should because who the hell can wait 2 weeks for an appointment?
American health care - Get sick call doctor - told to wait 2 to 3 weeks or go to emergency room - go to emergency room - charged 100 times what the doctor visit would have been. Brilliant.
What are you basing this on? I've read more than a few reports of doctors running up bills because they know medicare will pay for it. So which is it? Can you give me sources that talks about your claim?
abandonconflict
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Even if I was a millionaire, I would still want to save money by not paying for shit I don't fucking need.
Not for everyone. Actually, I'd like to see Medicare as a public option and expanded to cover everything. I think it would be competitive. In fact, it should even reduce premiums for those with stellar health who wish to prune coverage to exclude conditions for which they are not at risk. I'd love to see universal healthcare, never said otherwise. So, relax kiddo.
You should leave America then. I did. I still pay income tax on my earnings abroad though.
Sounds like you'd rather abstain from the US healthcare system altogether. It might be to your benefit. Or maybe just get a plan that covers the basics and emergencies.
Yeah, I know veterans in San Diego who prefer to go to Tijuana and pay out of pocket even though they get everything for free through the VA.
Yes, for everyone. I'm a duel citizen and my other country the national health care covers every procedure for everyone. I'm not talking about America's medicare, I'm talking about how it should be.
I had to come to America for family, and I like it fine here but only because I have it very easy, doesn't mean that I can't talk about how stupid America is on this and other issues.
My plan in America does cover everything.......what does that have to do with waiting weeks for appointments? Are you saying you have a special same day appointment plan? Back home you get sick you walk in and are seen within 30 minutes. Can you say you have that here? Even with your special plan that you love?
I had to come to America for family, and I like it fine here but only because I have it very easy, doesn't mean that I can't talk about how stupid America is on this and other issues.
My plan in America does cover everything.......what does that have to do with waiting weeks for appointments? Are you saying you have a special same day appointment plan? Back home you get sick you walk in and are seen within 30 minutes. Can you say you have that here? Even with your special plan that you love?
abandonconflict
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No. Not for everyone. The people who don't use it still fucking pay. They are overpaying.
Dual*
Yes, it covers everything for everyone. Not everyone needs everything covered.
Yes, it is terrible, 44 million people still completely lack healthcare coverage. It's fucking inhumane and most of the idiots who support it would say they "hate Obamacare but love the ACA" and don't realize they're the same thing.
My favorite plan would be a bare minimum one that covers emergencies but excludes preventable stuff. As I said, I don't live in the US but I still have to pay taxes there.
There isn't anybody who doesn't use it. You go to the dentist at least twice a year, you catch at least a few colds a year. You may even catch the flu. Then there are the vaccines that should get over the years. The annual health checks. And we are talking average healthy Joe here.
Americans simply don't go to the doctor as much as they should. They are so frigging thick that they actually brag about it. "Me? I never go to the doctor, healthy as a horse." How about, "My car? I never take it to a mechanic, runs fine."
Fogdog
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gee nobody ever thought of that before. Thanks
Yes, I'm being snarky.
You talk as if the US were some monolithic society.
The people of the US aren't united on how to solve its problems. We have to work this out at the ballot box and in the court of public opinion. It's not going to be some come together moment like what you describe. What's going on right now is a slow, grinding change in demographics and the attitudes of this country that are very contentious but thus far mostly peaceful. That's better than an all out revolution where the workings of this country come to a halt and perhaps fall apart.
Regarding universal healthcare coverage, there has to be a rational plan put forward that spells out exactly how the transition will be managed, how much it will cost, how it will be paid for and a strong contract for what it will provide at the end. If your concern is the 44 million people currently not covered (I'd like to see a source for that number), there are alternatives to universal healthcare coverage that provides coverage to them.
It's not going to happen until Republicans are voted out of office anyway, so take a deep breath.
Vote Republicans out.
Unclebaldrick
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But @schuylaar sez they have the ACA. Of course, she's an ORW.
