honey oil

JayBio420

JayBio420

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JayBio420 said:
Honey oil is a high grade cannabis extract product made by various solvents. It is often honey coloured, or amber, and of various qualities depending on input product. The key point is a polar extraction, filtering the product, and not extracting unwanted plant pigments like chlorophyll, which makes oils darker in colour. You can make a honey coloured cannabis oil by extracting with chloroform, naphtha, isopropyl, ethanol, butane, propane and other non polar solvents. It’s all in the technique and input herb.

Cherry oil, back in the day, was the high grade honey made by a pro with killer bud. The vials looked amazing, often reddish, not always.

These days, honey oil is like a precursor step before finalizing the purge into shatter. Butane honey oil.

Back in the day oil was $15 a vial black, $20-30 honey and cherry was 30-40.

These days it’s $20-50 for most extract products Canadian depending on where you get it and it’s quality.
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It took me this long to catch this mistake. IT IS A NON-POLAR extraction! Sorry for the typo everyone. My bad
 
JayBio420

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So folks, I see we had a miscommunication, and acted like adults and solved it. Great work. There is a lot to learn in this field, a lot of passed down knowledge, and a lot of new science and technology behind cannabis. Let’s keep an open mind and work together. We all have had bad days, myself included, and berated some poor dude for not typing what we want to see!

Moving onward about honey oil, I agree with the idea that opaque/black/dark green/cloudy are indicators of a lower quality extraction, including oxidation of various organic molecules. Any percentage of chlorophyll, anthos and carotenes, non-psychoactive waxes and other lipids extracted will dilute your cannabinoids, terpenes and flavonoids. This can be avoided by increasing the polarity of the solvent, decreasing its temperature, reducing contact time, decreasing open cell well exposure (larger particular in wash) and/or a combination of these things.

Even variations in your technique can have changes in terpene/cannibinoids balance, as they have differing interactions with solvents and evaporative qualities once extracted. You want to extract cleanly, purge carefully and store sealed and cool.

ISO or Eth washes done quickly can make excellent honey, as can butane and other more volatile solvents. It’s all technique. Cheers


(PS my darkest batch of honey yet I powdered in a grinder and a quick butane wash. Yuck!)
 
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odam2k

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I've been putting my shake into the blender to grind it up finely thinking that would be better...

Just crumble it by hand, or leave it as is?
 
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gb123

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JayBio420 said:
So folks, I see we had a miscommunication, and acted like adults and solved it. Great work. There is a lot to learn in this field, a lot of passed down knowledge, and a lot of new science and technology behind cannabis. Let’s keep an open mind and work together. We all have had bad days, myself included, and berated some poor dude for not typing what we want to see!

Moving onward about honey oil, I agree with the idea that opaque/black/dark green/cloudy are indicators of a lower quality extraction, including oxidation of various organic molecules. Any percentage of chlorophyll, anthos and carotenes, non-psychoactive waxes and other lipids extracted will dilute your cannabinoids, terpenes and flavonoids. This can be avoided by increasing the polarity of the solvent, decreasing its temperature, reducing contact time, decreasing open cell well exposure (larger particular in wash) and/or a combination of these things.

Even variations in your technique can have changes in terpene/cannibinoids balance, as they have differing interactions with solvents and evaporative qualities once extracted. You want to extract cleanly, purge carefully and store sealed and cool.

ISO or Eth washes done quickly can make excellent honey, as can butane and other more volatile solvents. It’s all technique. Cheers


(PS my darkest batch of honey yet I powdered in a grinder and a quick butane wash. Yuck!)
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googles your friend. (:
Then there's winterization.
As for temps and supersaturation...Ya need 500 mls per oz just to be safe.. ;) at freezing temps
so as to have enough room for as much meds at three minutes ;) with no chlorophyll
 
JayBio420

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odam2k said:
I've been putting my shake into the blender to grind it up finely thinking that would be better...

Just crumble it by hand, or leave it as is?
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I personally think, with butane, that my best batch was a bit more coarse than joint crumble. Like rice-pea sized. You know, like a half a black bean, half and half a peanut or like a currant.
 
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gb123

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odam2k said:
I've been putting my shake into the blender to grind it up finely thinking that would be better...

Just crumble it by hand, or leave it as is?
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when ya freeze everything..ya dont need to crush it up it gets pulverized in the wash..using a paddle.. ;)
only three minutes
longer gets you color you dont want.. and 3 minutes gets 80% of the meds off the plant.
ya can do a wash of the remaining once ya have a few batches..
 
Thundercat

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odam2k said:
I've been putting my shake into the blender to grind it up finely thinking that would be better...

Just crumble it by hand, or leave it as is?
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You will definitely get cleaner results with out breaking it up.

I don't wash anynugs bigger then a bowl pack and mostly wash prime sugar trim. So I don't really break anything up. When I do my first wash, everything gets a little broken down, and then my second wash pulls that yield out and still retains good quality. I don't usually see much green until my third wash.
 
odam2k

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I wish I had enough buds to use for oil :) I'll try not grinding up the shake, and I'll try freezing everything, I've never done that....
 
zoic

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odam2k said:
I wish I had enough buds to use for oil :) I'll try not grinding up the shake, and I'll try freezing everything, I've never done that....
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I recently made oil in a rush with warm iso and warm shake. It was definitely not as nice and there was a lot of wax in the bottom of the crucible (Source Turbo). Freezing gives better results IMO and the shake works better without grinding it to a powder from my experiences. Check out Thundercats sig, it taught me the value of extra filtering with coffee filters, ty Thundercat. My last run had almost no residue in the crucible.
 
vennge

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I just finished a round of washing with iso. I followed Thundercats steps as well and only did. 30 second wash. Followed with the winterization and beyond happy with ending product. I did not do any 2nd or 3rd wash as fir this round I focussed on making a batch of quality. I have access to more trim if needed. And yes while I am learning I will practice with trim. These forums are valuable and have learned a lot from many of you.

Thanks again
V.
 

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Thundercat

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gb123 said:
If it was Real A strains..Id smoke it
This quad shit lol
its A B c
its either good
or it ok lol
or its not that good
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Hehe I only grow "Real A" :bigjoint:, I totally agree about other peoples lower grade stuff though, that's great for concentrates!

zoic said:
I recently made oil in a rush with warm iso and warm shake. It was definitely not as nice and there was a lot of wax in the bottom of the crucible (Source Turbo). Freezing gives better results IMO and the shake works better without grinding it to a powder from my experiences. Check out Thundercats sig, it taught me the value of extra filtering with coffee filters, ty Thundercat. My last run had almost no residue in the crucible.
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vennge said:
I just finished a round of washing with iso. I followed Thundercats steps as well and only did. 30 second wash. Followed with the winterization and beyond happy with ending product. I did not do any 2nd or 3rd wash as fir this round I focussed on making a batch of quality. I have access to more trim if needed. And yes while I am learning I will practice with trim. These forums are valuable and have learned a lot from many of you.

Thanks again
V.
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Thanks for the love guys! I put a lot of work and testing into the process I use for my qwiso, and I love seeing the tutorial helping others get a great end product! I really want to push it a little farther in the future with more refined equipment, but I really like being able to make a great product with everyday stuff from the grocery store.
 
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gb123

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Thundercat said:
Hehe I only grow "Real A" :bigjoint:, I totally agree about other peoples lower grade stuff though, that's great for concentrates!




Thanks for the love guys! I put a lot of work and testing into the process I use for my qwiso, and I love seeing the tutorial helping others get a great end product! I really want to push it a little farther in the future with more refined equipment, but I really like being able to make a great product with everyday stuff from the grocery store.
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The best, cheapest processes to use that work !!!!(:

It's all about helping others and of course TASTE (::blsmoke:
 
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