LB's Wildly Mediocre DWC/ScROG Grow

[Stltoed]

Yeah without a doubt! I kind of felt like this as well with soooo many unreceded white pistols on all but literally 3 or 4 buds. I'll continue to watch the buds, but as long as I don't start getting a buncha ambers popping up I'll definitely let them go! I want them to go longer for bigger buds anyways

I am trying to decide if I did the two part harvest if I'd flush a day or two, harvest top buds, then back to nutes for a week or two. I botched my canopy density up badly, so many leaves jam packed in clogging up space and light. And yeah well I don't know if I could've brought them back without asking you guys ten questions a day! Lol it has been an extremely informative grow though I've learnt so much these past few months!

A couple days without nutrients at this point shouldnt affect it much. One on the benefits of hydro is you can add it subtract nutrients quickly, and a flush can be done in just a couple days.
If you're planning on harvesting multiple times from the same plant I'm not sure if flushing will work out for you, but that's up to you.

 

[Logan Burke]

I just wasn't sure if I would need to flush or not in between doing two harvests if that is the route that I decide to take. Still haven't really made up my mind. I've gotten the plant's nutes up to 1000-1100, I'm trying to decide if I should go on up to 1200 or not. I'm pretty gun shy about over fertilizing at this point lol. Here are a couple pics of them tonight. This one in front of me is getting some yellowing, so maybe I should up it to 1200?

 

[Axion42]

Feed depends a lot on what a certain strain can take. I've found my plants are happy at 750ppm of CANNA nutes, here's a couple pics I took today at day 45. The lighting kinda washes out the trichomes but these plants are covered with sticky goodness.

 

[Stltoed]

I just wasn't sure if I would need to flush or not in between doing two harvests if that is the route that I decide to take. Still haven't really made up my mind. I've gotten the plant's nutes up to 1000-1100, I'm trying to decide if I should go on up to 1200 or not. I'm pretty gun shy about over fertilizing at this point lol. Here are a couple pics of them tonight. This one in front of me is getting some yellowing, so maybe I should up it to 1200?

When do you want to do your first harvest?

 

[Logan Burke]

When do you want to do your first harvest?

Honestly I have no real time frame man, I was just going to try and wait for the tallest highest up colas to start throwing out amber trichomes whenever that may be as I don't really know when to expect it to happen. I figured that from there, I would let the lower buds go for probably another week or so until they start producing amber trichomes as well.

Feed depends a lot on what a certain strain can take. I've found my plants are happy at 750ppm of CANNA nutes, here's a couple pics I took today at day 45. The lighting kinda washes out the trichomes but these plants are covered with sticky goodness.
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Thanks for the reply Axion! My strain is a near pure indica White Rhino, it is alleged to be a pretty heavy feeder. I'm just gun shy about going over 1000ppm at this point after my severe overfeeding. I wouldn't think they would be in need of any nutrients getting 1000ppm, so I suppose I'm going to try and stick around that nutrient level unless I start getting yellowed growth or ph rises and ppm drops, which I've not begun to get yet. My PH is totally stable, but I've noticed that when I let the PPM's go below 800ish I start getting bad ph drop, which I assume is just osmotic pressure causing nutes to flow out of the roots into the res. Apologies for the rambling buddy, am running on 2hrs of sleep right now haha.

 

[Stltoed]

Honestly I have no real time frame man, I was just going to try and wait for the tallest highest up colas to start throwing out amber trichomes whenever that may be as I don't really know when to expect it to happen. I figured that from there, I would let the lower buds go for probably another week or so until they start producing amber trichomes as well.


Thanks for the reply Axion! My strain is a near pure indica White Rhino, it is alleged to be a pretty heavy feeder. I'm just gun shy about going over 1000ppm at this point after my severe overfeeding. I wouldn't think they would be in need of any nutrients getting 1000ppm, so I suppose I'm going to try and stick around that nutrient level unless I start getting yellowed growth or ph rises and ppm drops, which I've not begun to get yet. My PH is totally stable, but I've noticed that when I let the PPM's go below 800ish I start getting bad ph drop, which I assume is just osmotic pressure causing nutes to flow out of the roots into the res. Apologies for the rambling buddy, am running on 2hrs of sleep right now haha.

I think I would just watch for amber, flush them all and pull em. At that time you wont see much more growth.

 

[Axion42]

If your PPMs are dropping daily then I'd say your good to go to increase slowly until it stops dropping.

 

[Hydro4life]

Hey Logan and stltoed!
I’m back haha. Been busy the last month working away.
How’s things going Logan? Looks like your getting closer man! Didn’t read much of what I missed.....
How far away till harvest you think you are??

 

[Hydro4life]

Just read your last post Logan haha.
And don’t forget about temp and humidity man,
The warmer and drier you run your environment, essentially the lower your ppm/ec should be, as the plant will drink a lot more and uptake more nutes as a result.
This may be why you have some ph fluctuation when running 800ppm of nutes? As your environment may not be matched accordingly!?
Looks like you have signs of nute burn throughout your grow. Maybe humidity was a bit low or temps a bit high or both throughout parts of flowering? Or ppm was simply a tad high?
All and all, looks good Logan!!
I personally think backing off to 800ppm now would be a good thing, especially the nitrogen part of your feed. (Nice lush dark leaves, free the plant up and let it focus on packing on bud weight now)
I can also see you’ve given the girls some good light intensity!! They’ll have some dense buds I reckon!!

 

[Logan Burke]

Just read your last post Logan haha.
And don’t forget about temp and humidity man,
The warmer and drier you run your environment, essentially the lower your ppm/ec should be, as the plant will drink a lot more and uptake more nutes as a result.
This may be why you have some ph fluctuation when running 800ppm of nutes? As your environment may not be matched accordingly!?
Looks like you have signs of nute burn throughout your grow. Maybe humidity was a bit low or temps a bit high or both throughout parts of flowering? Or ppm was simply a tad high?
All and all, looks good Logan!!
I personally think backing off to 800ppm now would be a good thing, especially the nitrogen part of your feed. (Nice lush dark leaves, free the plant up and let it focus on packing on bud weight now)
I can also see you’ve given the girls some good light intensity!! They’ll have some dense buds I reckon!!

Nice to hear from you Hydro, I hope that everything with your plants has went ok!!! So, what you've missed is basically me doing a flush to help my plants burn off the excess N. All was going well until I, like a dummy, bumped my timer and basically had it so that the light kicked on for half an hr half way into their dark cycle. This continued for 2 or 3 days, and my plants started to reveg. I corrected the timer and moved it outside the tent to avoid it happening again, after some extremely weird F'd up leaf growth came out of the buds, they finally resumed swelling about 1-2 weeks ago. Now I am just trying to dial into the correct nutrient dosage. Everyday I'm getting a large 100-300ppm increase, with very little drop in PH (maybe a half of a .1). They're currently at 1000-1050ppms. I tried backing off the nutes down to 850, and I got this huge PH drop of over .5 in one night and the exact same increase in ppms. So I returned them to 1000ppms. So, I'm kind of at a loss. I tried flushing the netpots with 1 gal of RO water, and their netpots were horridly filthy with salts, but it didn't stop the ppm rise I'm getting everyday. It isn't a huge deal, the plants buds are still swelling and growing, I'm just hoping that I'm overreacting and maybe the ppm's rising everyday isn't a big deal. After all, the PH is almost entirely stable with it staying the same some days and falling by literally half of a .1 on others. Again, sorry to overload on info buddy! Real glad to have ya stop back by! I'll get pics in just a few mins!

 

[Logan Burke]

I'll have to get pics without the hps on for you guys. It can be hard to tell that some buds are thickening up because they're all jammed so close together in some places, but hopefully you guys can see what bud growth has happened this past week. The very tips of the buds havent swollen near as much as the base of the buds have.

 

[Stltoed]

I'll have to get pics without the hps on for you guys. It can be hard to tell that some buds are thickening up because they're all jammed so close together in some places, but hopefully you guys can see what bud growth has happened this past week. The very tips of the buds havent swollen near as much as the base of the buds have.

Looks a hell of a lot better than it did! Good job Logan

 

[Hydro4life]

Nice to hear from you Hydro, I hope that everything with your plants has went ok!!! So, what you've missed is basically me doing a flush to help my plants burn off the excess N. All was going well until I, like a dummy, bumped my timer and basically had it so that the light kicked on for half an hr half way into their dark cycle. This continued for 2 or 3 days, and my plants started to reveg. I corrected the timer and moved it outside the tent to avoid it happening again, after some extremely weird F'd up leaf growth came out of the buds, they finally resumed swelling about 1-2 weeks ago. Now I am just trying to dial into the correct nutrient dosage. Everyday I'm getting a large 100-300ppm increase, with very little drop in PH (maybe a half of a .1). They're currently at 1000-1050ppms. I tried backing off the nutes down to 850, and I got this huge PH drop of over .5 in one night and the exact same increase in ppms. So I returned them to 1000ppms. So, I'm kind of at a loss. I tried flushing the netpots with 1 gal of RO water, and their netpots were horridly filthy with salts, but it didn't stop the ppm rise I'm getting everyday. It isn't a huge deal, the plants buds are still swelling and growing, I'm just hoping that I'm overreacting and maybe the ppm's rising everyday isn't a big deal. After all, the PH is almost entirely stable with it staying the same some days and falling by literally half of a .1 on others. Again, sorry to overload on info buddy! Real glad to have ya stop back by! I'll get pics in just a few mins!

Ohhh no!
Did you get any thin small dark sugar leaves reproduce Logan?
I’ve had this happen to me a couple of times and have found backing the Nitrogen part of my feed back by something like half, helps them to revert back to full flower sooner. They look fine from what I can see, will just take longer to finish flowering.
Just hope your girls don’t throw any bananas this late into flower!?

 

[Logan Burke]

Ohhh no!
Did you get any thin small dark sugar leaves reproduce Logan?
I’ve had this happen to me a couple of times and have found backing the Nitrogen part of my feed back by something like half, helps them to revert back to full flower sooner. They look fine from what I can see, will just take longer to finish flowering.
Just hope your girls don’t throw any bananas this late into flower!?

Yes it absolutely did throw those whacked out one finger freakishly deformed sugar leaves, it's actually what tipped me off that something was screwed up with my lights. I check the timer and low and behold...lol. But now they have pretty much stopped developing deformed leaves, but they do look kind of trippy on certain buds lol I'll upload pics of the more affected ones. And yes I've reduced their CaliMagic, their only source of N outside of their base nute, from full strength to 1/4th strength. Only one of my plants has started showing Mg deficiency, so I've decided to start giving it Epsom Salts directly in the res (is this a good idea to avoid adding more CaliMagic and hence more N?). Yes nanners are my greatest fear at this point, I would like to think that they would've produced them by now if they were going too, but the truth of the matter is that the chances of it happening will increase the closer I get to harvest and the more the plant feels 'doomed' to not be fertilized with pollen. These girls have been troopers though, I couldn't ask for tougher plants!

Looks a hell of a lot better than it did! Good job Logan

Thanks Stl I'm in agreement with you there! I do still have a couple kinks to work out so that I can dial in their nutes, but it shouldn't be anything that I can't figure out with a little experimentation and observation!

 

[Hydro4life]

Yes it absolutely did throw those whacked out one finger freakishly deformed sugar leaves, it's actually what tipped me off that something was screwed up with my lights. I check the timer and low and behold...lol. But now they have pretty much stopped developing deformed leaves, but they do look kind of trippy on certain buds lol I'll upload pics of the more affected ones. And yes I've reduced their CaliMagic, their only source of N outside of their base nute, from full strength to 1/4th strength. Only one of my plants has started showing Mg deficiency, so I've decided to start giving it Epsom Salts directly in the res (is this a good idea to avoid adding more CaliMagic and hence more N?). Yes nanners are my greatest fear at this point, I would like to think that they would've produced them by now if they were going too, but the truth of the matter is that the chances of it happening will increase the closer I get to harvest and the more the plant feels 'doomed' to not be fertilized with pollen. These girls have been troopers though, I couldn't ask for tougher plants!

Thanks Stl I'm in agreement with you there! I do still have a couple kinks to work out so that I can dial in their nutes, but it shouldn't be anything that I can't figure out with a little experimentation and observation!

I’m feeling your pain Logan! Hopefully the buds don’t get too airy also!?
Yes you can add a little epsom salt to the res. I’ve only done it once before on a presidential kush. It looked like it had a sulphur deficiency (Epson salt will treat magnesium and sulphur deficiency very well) it didn’t help lol.
But didn’t do any harm either!
If you weren’t so far into flower I’d say use it as a foliar spray....

Also are you using any bloom boosters?
I’ve learnt with bloom boosters, a little goes a long way. The 1st thing you’ll notice in flower if you add a little too much bloom booster is a mag deficiency as the excess potassium will lock out magnesium!
(Excess calcium will do the same)
One thing I have focused on in flower as of late is preventing magnesium deficiency.
As you probably already know, magnesium aids in chlorophyll production which is vital for light absorption/photosynthesis.

There’s a really good chart floating around, I’ll try and track it down. But it shows what excess of each macro and micro nutrient will lock out another.

I’m pretty sure too much magnesium locks out calcium also. So may be worth trying to figure out if it’s a lockout issue before adding more mag??

 

[Hydro4life]

Couldn’t find the chart, but here’s an example Logan.

 

[Logan Burke]

Thanks so much for the info! Yes I can tell that my buds won't be quite as tight as had the reveg not've happened at all, but thankfully they're still tightening up a nice bit, enough to make this an average or slightly above average yield. And I've noticed the Mg def developed in the past week, as I've started to hit 1000 ppms, so I will definitely just back off the ppm's and continue with 1/4th dose calmag. I may add a touch of epsoms as well, but if I do it won't be much out of fear of screwing up the nute balance. I do use a bloom booster, Liquid Kool Bloom, at 50% of the 'mild' strength dose on the bottle. Which comes up to 2mL/gallon. Do you think that is a safe dosage given my grow? The bottle says anywhere from 4mL to 8mL a gallon. It is certainly a possibility that K is responsible for the Mg deficit as the only thing that has changed is the increase in their flowering nutrients.

 

[Hydro4life]

Thanks so much for the info! Yes I can tell that my buds won't be quite as tight as had the reveg not've happened at all, but thankfully they're still tightening up a nice bit, enough to make this an average or slightly above average yield. And I've noticed the Mg def developed in the past week, as I've started to hit 1000 ppms, so I will definitely just back off the ppm's and continue with 1/4th dose calmag. I may add a touch of epsoms as well, but if I do it won't be much out of fear of screwing up the nute balance. I do use a bloom booster, Liquid Kool Bloom, at 50% of the 'mild' strength dose on the bottle. Which comes up to 2mL/gallon. Do you think that is a safe dosage given my grow? The bottle says anywhere from 4mL to 8mL a gallon. It is certainly a possibility that K is responsible for the Mg deficit as the only thing that has changed is the increase in their flowering nutrients.

Yea, throw a little epsom salt in Logan and maybe back your bloom booster back to 1/4 strength? Cal/mag at 1/4 strength should be ok imo.
Your flowering base nutes may be fairly high in pk as it is??
Bit hard to see on the pics, but is the mag deficiency at the very top of the plant or lower and mid also?

 

[Logan Burke]

It's pretty much at the mid level, working it's way up the older leaves and up towards the buds from the bottom up. But I will take your advice and back off to 1/4th LKB, continue with 1/4th strength CaliMagic, and add a dash of epsoms maybe 1/4th tbsp to an entire 3 gallon res. And yeah my bloom base is 4-8-7, but I need to double check that those numbers are correct.

 

[Hydro4life]

It's pretty much at the mid level, working it's way up the older leaves and up towards the buds from the bottom up. But I will take your advice and back off to 1/4th LKB, continue with 1/4th strength CaliMagic, and add a dash of epsoms maybe 1/4th tbsp to an entire 3 gallon res. And yeah my bloom base is 4-8-7, but I need to double check that those numbers are correct.

Sounds good man!
Yea sounds like mag def. as other deficiencies can show lightening in between veins also. but can affect say tops of plant. Light burn can do the same.
So I’d say possible mag lock out or lack of.
Hopefully those changes will stop the mag deficiency spreading any further!?

Whenever I change something in feed like you have Logan, I do a res change before making that change. That way you will know fairly quickly if it solves the problem.