blu3bird
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Well, that's good for me and sure as fuck better and cheaper than Bernie's plan
Make no mistake: Medicare for All would cut taxes for most Americans
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blu3bird
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I'll remind you again, you are a minority being a union member. The majority of workers (I believe something like 90%) are not union.
There's not a chance in hell employers are going to just give their savings back to the employees
PJ Diaz
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How do you figure it's cheaper?
PJ Diaz
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Honestly I can negotiate for myself better than I feel my union can negotiate for me, but that's my problem. I don't know why people think they wouldn't be able to negotiate this for themselves. Fear I guess. Then again, I am a former union negotiator.
blu3bird
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Well, have a look at Pad's green chart and let's compare -
Bernie's deductible = $5483
My employer provided deductible = $2000
I believe the deductible I have is less
Maybe I missed it somewhere, but what does Bernie's plan cost per week/month/year?
I pay $48/week - $196/month - $2352/year
Maybe I missed it, but I doubt BernieCare4All will be less than what I pay now
@Padawanbater2 - dig up some estimated monthly/yearly payment numbers for us
Lucky Luke
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One of the big benefits of universal healthcare is that some people like to jump the que. Which is why we have Private healthcare alongside public. This keeps the Private insurance polices really competitive as most people dont have it, they can afford it but they choose not to have it. Any increase in price is also Govt regulated- O yeah.
Disclaimer: im an Aussie and we have had Medicare since the 80's. It works. It aint perfect but its pretty damn good. Not sure how America will pull it off with the massive unemployment and homeless % though. Like weapons it seems to polarize and become all to late ( we tackled that already to). Just needs some common sense and some leadership.
Disclaimer: im an Aussie and we have had Medicare since the 80's. It works. It aint perfect but its pretty damn good. Not sure how America will pull it off with the massive unemployment and homeless % though. Like weapons it seems to polarize and become all to late ( we tackled that already to). Just needs some common sense and some leadership.
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blu3bird
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I'm glad that you have something that works for you and that you seem satisfied with it
But....
I don't think it's realistic to compare America with any other country when it comes to healthcare, unless it has a similar population
America has a population of 300 million people
Australia has a population of 24 million people
In my opinion, there's no comparing the two and then saying, if they can do it so can we
Lucky Luke
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Well China has a few people and they have been slowly rolling it out the last few years.
I dont think the number of people is the challenge. Cost is per person with the system if anything discounts start applying with larger numbers- like catering. Its the infrastructure. Majority of our hospitals here are Public. Private sectors normally rent the space their client takes up, its the same doctors in majority of cases anyway- same rooms in most cases to. Private health insurance is a profitable client of a public hospital. I dont believe u have that. Our whole infrastructure is based on Universal so its easy to profit off. Doctors associations have always backed it and come to its defense to so its a robust system IF it can be first established.
BurtMaklin
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Lol, a bunch of fake liberals arguing against socialized healthcare because corporate propaganda says they will lose their socioeconomic privilege.
Poor whitey!!!!
Bunch of racists.
Poor whitey!!!!
Bunch of racists.
PJ Diaz
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Yeah, I think you must have missed a lot and relying on a "green chart" someone posted, which you don't seem to understand, seems short sighted.
Both Medicare-for-all bills would eliminate cost sharing completely. This means no monthly premiums, no copayments for going to the doctor, and no deductible to meet before coverage kicks in.
The only place where enrollees might pay out of pocket is under the Sanders plan, which does give the government discretion to allow some charges for prescription drugs — but even that would be capped at $200 per year.
And this is why America sucks gentlemen. Everybody only really cares about themselves. Divide and conquer. Congrats! You're a winner and fellow man is a loser. Fck them right? Because you and your kids are so much more deserving.
Fogdog
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You must be talking about federally funded universal healthcare. I was talking about Bernie's Medicare For All legislation that doesn't include enough detail for the OMB to estimate how much it will cost. Nor does it include how it will be paid for, including who will bear the increase in taxes.
I, like most Americans, agree that federally administered and paid for healthcare for everybody is a good idea. We expect better from our Congressmen than that unfinished vague piece of work by Bernie.
Fogdog
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There is no basis for these claims.
this should be our national anthem..what citizens were concerned about in 1978..i remember the simple words well- it amazes me it's the SAME:
Look for the union label
when you are buying that coat, dress or blouse.
Remember somewhere our union's sewing,
our wages going to feed the kids, and run the house.
We work hard, but who's complaining?
Thanks to the I.L.G. we're paying our way!
So always look for the union label,
it says we're able to make it in the U.S.A.!
citizens still wish to pay their way- if only allowed to with a living wage!
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PJ Diaz
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At least most major motion pictures are still union. Makes me wonder how the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees has held on all these years. Oh yeah, it's called solidarity. Look for the union bug..
blu3bird
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Having employer provided health insurance is a benefit that I earn from you know, having a job and working, not some socioeconomic privilege
You damn fool
blu3bird
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So everyone having their taxes raised to pay for M4A isn't cost sharing?
PJ Diaz
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Not in the traditional sense.
blu3bird
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LOL
PJ Diaz
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I think you're quite wrong there. Many people also have jobs (multiple jobs in many cases) and work hard, but do not have health insurance due to lack of socioeconomic privilege.