Lockdowns work.

Dr.Amber Trichome

Dr.Amber Trichome

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Hi abandon! How are you doing?
I think I read you mentioned you live overseas . Do you have a strict lockdown in place. Things are starting to reopen here in Oklahoma today.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Budley Doright said:
That’s what I’m pissed about. I’ve done my part and isolated in good faith only to have imbeciles out and about making my effort a waste of fucking time. Yes lockdowns work if an actual fucking lockdown.
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Budley Doright said:
And if tested positive do we get to put a bullet between their eyes if they step outside their door?
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Please don't shoot anyone in the face just for going outside, comrade.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
Don't worry, I'll use proper social distancing so you don't feel like murdering me with your firearm.
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Yep, as rhythm says, trigggered. But thanks for the laughs, a Sponge Bob meme, oh yes, that's rich.

Post something that is convincing and I'll be glad to discuss it with you.

The destination resort tourist SCUBA guide jobs are dead for now and probably for the year, maybe next year too. What's you plan B?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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People really ought to listen to the experts. As one expert, Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases says, lockdowns work. Also, states that are opening up right now without an adequate testing and response plan in place are just plain reckless.

Fauci warns states rushing to reopen: ‘You’re making a really significant risk’
May 1, 2020 at 8:34 am Updated May 1, 2020 at 9:01 am

if governors rush to reopen when they aren’t ready, Fauci cautioned that the move would likely only set back the progress their states have made.

“There’s no doubt in my mind that when you pull back mitigation, you’re going to start seeing cases crop up here and there,” he said. “If you’re not able to handle them, you’re going to see another peak, a spike, and then you almost have to turn the clock back to go back to mitigation.”
www.seattletimes.com

Fauci warns states rushing to reopen: ‘You’re making a really significant risk’

The U.S. has counted more than 1 million cases of covid-19 and nearly 63,000 deaths. Social distancing remains the most effective way to stem the spread of the virus.
www.seattletimes.com www.seattletimes.com


California listed the most clear set of guidelines. Trump might have listed some too but he's already sunsetted his.

The most basic guideline is, as Fauci said way back in late March:

“You can do it, but you absolutely must have in place the capability of going there, testing, testing in an efficient way — not take a test, come back five days later and find out if you're infected.”

“That's the connection," he explained. "I want to make sure, not just tests out there, but are the tests able to be implemented.”


In other words, real testing, real time with real processes in place to respond to outbreaks. Otherwise, the money we've invested in saving lives and the economy will be wasted.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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abandonconflict said:
Please don't shoot anyone in the face just for going outside, comrade.
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Thank you for your interest! I worry about you too, stress is a killer, but I’m sure you know that. We are doing really well here with 2 new positives in 3 weeks. Everyone (even the youngens) have been self isolating and just doing their part to help flatten the curve and save lives ..... seems to be working really well for us. Sure will be nice to get a burger though. Again thanks for your interest and checking daily!!! If I feel the need to actually shoot some one I’ll PM you for advice.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Johnny Lawrence said:
But . . . you actually did just spin what I said. Good job. Gold star.
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You are right, he didn't exactly cite your post. I went back and checked.

Johnny Lawrence said:
This is what's fucked.

600K die every year from heart disease. We never used draconian measures to shut down soda companies, fast food companies, regulation of sugar, salt, fat, meat, etc. Why not? I mean, 600,000 people a year? Shouldn't we freak out and literally change our way of life over these numbers? Most of those are older people. If we don't shut down all of the fast food and soda companies, aren't we responsible for all of those deaths?

30,000 people died in car accidents in 2018. Another 3 million were hospitalized or disabled. I've thought about those numbers, and I've decided that I would rather drive and risk the potential death/injury. I'm sure you have too.


We have literally shut down the economy over something as deadly as the flu. Think about that for a sec. I've read more than one post one here from people stating that if you are against lockdown, then you are responsible for the deaths incurred. Well, if that's the case, are all of those in support of the lockdown responsible for all of the deaths from an increase in suicide, drug overdose, famine, etc.? This is a 2 way street. If that's actually you're argument, you might want to rethink it.

The recent antibody tests and their results change the mortality rate in a big way. It's basically on par with the flu. But I've never been forced to wear a face mask into my local market, isolate myself in my house, and shut down my whole entire industry over the flu. History is going to look back on the measures we took and laugh at us. We just fucked the whole global economy over a virus that has the same mortality rate as the flu. Brilliant. Congratulations everybody.
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Other than agreeing that people die from a whole bunch of other stuff and we don't shut down the economy for those, I fail to understand your reasoning about why Seattle should have endured the same agony that NYC did. Instead of letting the situation get out of hand, Seattle and eventually the whole state of Washington shut down as soon as the first few cases arrived.

It worked. Because lockdowns work. What doesn't work is pretending this Coronavirus is the same as the flu. Because it's not. Its a Coronavirus that has literally wrecked the hospitals and staff in NY because they didn't lock down soon enough. Things are better now that they have been locked down and the epidemic is receding.

I'm not sure what basis you have for your claims and I've agreed with you in the past. So, if you want to explain yourself, I'm listening. But do try to be at least factually correct or you will again come of as some sort of Republican science denier. That's OK too, if that's what you intend.
 
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