rkymtnman
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a republican hasn't won the popular vote since hw bush.Still at a loss for words on how someone with millions of more votes can lose. At what point did all those votes past 80k not matter?
a republican hasn't won the popular vote since hw bush.Still at a loss for words on how someone with millions of more votes can lose. At what point did all those votes past 80k not matter?
Bush II beat John Kerry in 2004 and won both the popular vote and the electoral. He lost the popular vote in 2000 against Al Gore by over 1/2 million votes. And of course the orange asshole lost the popular vote in 2016 by nearly 3 million votes.a republican hasn't won the popular vote since hw bush.
D'oh! you got me on that one. i knew the bush v gore was not a pop vote win. good catch.Bush II beat John Kerry in 2004
Why is the system set up this way? Shouldn't the person with the most votes win?Bush II beat John Kerry in 2004 and won both the popular vote and the electoral. He lost the popular vote in 2000 against Al Gore by over 1/2 million votes. And of course the orange asshole lost the popular vote in 2016 by nearly 3 million votes.
Google it. It's been around since 1804.Why is the system set up this way? Shouldn't the person with the most votes win?
Google it. It's been around since 1804.
Our last election was the same. Trudeau lost the popular vote but Is still our Prime Minister. Canada.Why is the system set up this way? Shouldn't the person with the most votes win?
thats not what happenedOur last election was the same. Trudeau lost the popular vote but Is still our Prime Minister. Canada.
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thats not what happened
The founding fathers themselves argued about the purpose and implantation of the electoral college. Alexander Hamilton viewed the electoral college as a fail safe to correct an election result that could be harmful to the republic. Almost like he could see something like the election of Trump happening.Why is the system set up this way? Shouldn't the person with the most votes win?
i understood it as the same fail safe with many voters being distant farmers or those without education to understand the complexities of government and the issues at hand and ultimately..it was to not let one group over another fall victim to a majority that perhaps were let's say facist or something else evil. what they really didn't consider the checks and balances when you have 2:1, and what that would do to the people of america.The founding fathers themselves argued about the purpose and implantation of the electoral college. Alexander Hamilton viewed the electoral college as a fail safe to correct an election result that could be harmful to the republic. Almost like he could see something like the election of Trump happening.
I think the biggest problem with the system today is the winner-take-all format. If you win a state by half a percentage point, should you get all of the states electors? This is the reason you will almost always have a discrepancy between popular vote and electoral college votes.
Obviously, the checks and balances don’t work as designed. I suspect it’s because the founding fathers never envisioned or planned for a partisan two party system.i understood it as the same fail safe with many voters being distant farmers or those without education to understand the complexities of government and the issues at hand and ultimately..it was to not let one group over another fall victim to a majority that perhaps were let's say facist or something else evil. what they really didn't consider the checks and balances when you have 2:1, and what that would do to the people of america.
and all in four years..and if there were no oversight?Obviously, the checks and balances don’t work as designed. I suspect it’s because the founding fathers never envisioned or planned for a partisan two party system.
There is no better example of the fragility of responsible government than the fact that a system designed by the greatest minds of the 18th century can be destroyed 250 years later by an imbecile with an IQ of 78.
it doesn't have to.a republican hasn't won the popular vote since hw bush.
I would say there isn’t any oversight now but agree that the republic as we know it is on the line. 6 months from now we will know.and all in four years..and if there were no oversight?
Presidential Historian Beschloss has predicted we are one year away from loss of democracy- i say we're closer.
the impeach, there's been oversight they just speak 'baby babble' and get no where.I would say there isn’t any oversight now but agree that the republic as we know it is on the line. 6 months from now we will know.
@DIY-HP-LED said it will happen when the secret service is given the command on 1/20/21, the day he needs to leave the WH.I would say there isn’t any oversight now but agree that the republic as we know it is on the line. 6 months from now we will know.
Right. Oversight in name only. It has no power as long as Trump apologists control the senate, so what good is it?the impeach, there's been oversight they just speak 'baby babble' and get no where.