Conservative's thoughts on the 45th President
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Fogdog
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It must be difficult to be outraged and wrong at the same time.
hanimmal
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Sick of things like not wanting to allow Russian military to spread lies to your friends and family unchecked like Trump does?
If you are an American, how can you be ok with that?
Nobody likes that. I'm not even trying to argue any more man. I'm just saying this shit isn't new in the government. How has the country gotten to a point where they think one half of the retards that got us to this point can get us out of the mess? The only reason I voted for Trump was because many years before I said if I ever get to vote for someone with no political office held previously I would. I knew the chance would never happen again. Biden ran with Obama and they said they would end the middle east horror. It never happened. Ferguson happened they could have defunded police then. What makes me think anything like that will happen this time? Kamala was prosecuting people. Now she's going to take pity upon the criminals?
You can see how the Trump russia connection is bad but then you'll justify how Biden's mess with Ukraine was completely normal. Trump got impeached for withholding funds for them to look into Biden. Are you telling me Trump in 3 years of white house office was just taking a random guess to ask Ukraine to look into Biden? And again the entire government is completely inept to stop him. just as he's inept to stop nancy pelosi. it's all a clusterfuck gridlock and I don't see it changing. And maybe that's what makes us the greatest country on earth. ride the chaos bros!
hanimmal
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The Democrats have only had the ability to pass legislation in DC for all of 6 years in the last 50. And every single time they had to deal with Republican recessions. And as the Democrats have to deal with fixing the mess left by the last administration they get trolled by the Republicans for spending too much. The Republicans are just running a con to keep power and wealth in the hands of the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda and troll anything not in their agenda as some kind of 'ism'.
What do you think 'defund the police' means? Do you know that Trump ended Obama's executive orders (because the Republicans using the 'Tea Party' nonsense trolled Obama and won back the house in 2011 ending Obama's ability to get anything done) on police accountability?
https://apnews.com/7e337c8ea5bc4de6a3e0cb21b5732341
CHICAGO (AP) — The Trump administration informed a federal judge in Chicago on Friday that it’s seeking to scuttle a plan negotiated between the nation’s third-largest city and the state of Illinois that envisions far-reaching reforms of Chicago’s 12,000-officer police force under close federal court supervision.
In a statement announcing the intervention, Attorney General Jeff Sessions blasted the roughly 200-page plan, also known as a consent decree, because of the court oversite. And he offered a full-throated defense of Chicago police, saying they must take the lead in stemming city violence.
“There is a misperception that police are the problem and that their failures, their lack of training, and their abuses create crime,” Sessions said. “But the truth is the police are the solution to crime, and criminals are the problem.”
An 11-page Justice Department statement of interest — filed with Judge Robert M. Dow Jr., who must grant the proposal final approval — says the reform plan, as it is, would deprive police of flexibility to do their jobs right. And it criticizes criteria in the plan meant to assess police compliance as vague.
It asks Dow “to allow state and local officials — and Chicago’s brave front-line police officers — to engage in flexible and localized efforts to advance the goal of safe, effective, and constitutional policing in Chicago.”
The filing and Sessions’ comments came a week after jurors convicted white Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke of second-degree murder for shooting black teen Laquan McDonald 16 times in 2014 as he walked away from police with a knife.
A video of the shooting, released about a year later, sparked outage nationwide and led to an Obama administration investigation of Chicago police, which was followed months later by a damning report that found widespread police abuses.
The Department of Justice Friday simultaneously announced the creation of a “Gun Crimes Prosecution Team” at Chicago’s U.S. attorney’s office focused on gun crimes. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives will assign five violent-crime coordinators to work with federal prosecutors.
Responding to the announcements, a spokesman for Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Matt McGrath, said the city appreciated the additional resources, “but we don’t appreciate efforts ... to impede our public safety reforms or inhibit our efforts to rebuild the bonds of trust between officers and residents.”
Illinois Attorney Lisa Madigan — without objection from Emanuel — sued the city last year to ensure any police reforms would be overseen by a judge. That killed a draft plan negotiated with Trump’s administration that didn’t envision a court role in reforming the department and led to the ultimately successful talks to create the current plan.
The reform plan now on the table foresees far stricter rules on the use of force by officers. One provision requires officers to file paperwork each time they point their weapons, even if they don’t fire.
Sessions again echoed President Donald Trump, who told officers at a convention in Orlando on Monday that a three-year-old agreement between Chicago and the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois to curb stop-and-frisk procedures by police prevented officers from doing their jobs.
“When police are restrained from using lawfully established policies ... when arrests went down, and when their work and character were disrespected, crime surged,” Sessions said. “There must never be another consent decree that continues the folly of the ACLU settlement.”
Chicago officials and the ACLU have said those and similar claims by Trump administration officials are exaggerated, get the data on crime in Chicago wrong and misstate the underlying causes of crime.
Karen Sheley, the director of the police practices project at the ACLU of Illinois, said the move Friday by the Trump administration to sink a plan in the works for over a year was “a last-minute political play at the expense of real people in our city.”
“The Trump Administration and Sessions’ Department of Justice have never attempted to learn about the problems in Chicago or what reform is necessary,” Sheley said in a Friday statement.
You know that Trump got impeached for trying to force a vulnerable ally into spreading that Russian propaganda? Something that Russia was actually trying to get spread for years, because the Russian military always wanted to place blame elsewhere.
Pelosi is not breaking laws to keep herself in power. Trump has put trolls in office and the Republicans have been allowing it since they are paid off by the Russians through American entities like the NRA.
How can you stop foreign government from saying anything they want to say? Chyna has spread propaganda. We spread propaganda. every single country has spread propaganda. How will we solve the problems of government which are "institutional" with the same people that have been part of the issue? Why would sending them more money at this point solve anything? maybe they should try buying some great value cherrios or they can just go print some more and then sell that debt to a foreign country the "legal" way. Trump Biden doesn't matter they aint coming for us.
hanimmal
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Not dropping the sanctions on Deripaska like Trump did would have been a good start.
Not about our elections from what I read in the release of the intel community even after they Trump'ed it up.
Whataboutism? I would like to see a (credible) report showing our military/government agency involved in spreading propaganda.
Just because people say things doesn't make them true. There is only one party running on propaganda and lies, that is the Republican party in the last 50 years, entire media companies have been created to do this for them.
I don't really know what you're talking about here. Who besides the Treasury is printing money?
At least Biden won't actively troll 51+% of our nation on a daily basis and use the DoJ to get his criminal buddies off while destroying careers of anyone who doesn't treat him like a little dictator.
HydroKid239
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yeah you're right the US government has never ran propaganda that's just my tin foil hat syndrome coming through again. then how can Trump be a liar?
hanimmal
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Right, obvious troll there.
Trump is a criminal, and has all of his minions lie to us and spread his propaganda no question.
Applying what Dear Leader has done (who you earlier said was someone who had nothing to do with government) with his time in office to the hard working people trying to keep us safe is clearly not what I meant after responding to your 'whataboutism'. But you are right, Trump has hurt our nation.
He must be the greatest criminal of all time because all the career lawyers in the halls of congress or senate can't take him down. weird. Good thing that all our soldiers got to be all they could be.
hanimmal
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I think he is an idiot spoiled rich brat who wanted to become a cult leader and didn't understand that the Russian military had a powerful tool (thanks to Snowden smuggling the NSA files to them) that they used to get Trump elected because we were caught off guard as a nation to the scam that the Russain military was playing on all of us for years leading up to the election.
Everyone knew about trolls, and their use by the evangelicals and racists to push their narratives, but nobody really thought about them being used on both sides of every argument coupled with sophisticated personality profiles on every American to sway their votes down to the district that they vote in because Trump's campaign gave the Putin's spies our voting data that he got from the RNC to use to attack us.
It was the pushing the 'left' voters to not vote/vote third party that was the Russian militaries true genius. That in the key states was why Trump was able to win then by less than 80,000 votes even though Clinton had more than 2 million more votes nationwide.
those 2 million votes are easily accounted for by LA and NYC alone. they were not spread across the USA. that's some propaganda you bit. That's why she lost the electoral college by such a large margin. the same reason why I don't see much difference in the outcome this time either. if they were spread across the country she would have landslided him. but that's not how things work. so stop being salty and figure out how to get your message to resonate with the rest of America not just your parties largest donor areas. the electoral college is still in play.
hanimmal
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She lost the EC by 77,000 votes.
And yes it is easy to do that when you suppress voters (by doing things like having less voting booths in large cities causing 8 hour lines) of the Democratic persuasion in large population Republican governor controlled states like Georgia, Texas, and Flordia.
There is no 'resonating' with the Trump cultists. But luckily Biden doesn't have the same trouble with trolls that Clinton did. Being a white male who has had a long history in public office (so we know he is not a Russian puppet like Trump) he can't get trolled by Trump and Putin's trolls with anti-female propaganda, and anything Trump tries just rebounds back on Trump 10x harder.
That is why Trump impeached himself trying to manufacture dirt on Biden.
exactly which is why if she had those 2 million votes spread out of California and NYC she would have landslided Trump but that's not what happened. How come democrat cities can't run efficient elections? sounds like their issue not mine. My election board does a pretty good job here. Maybe they should look at what our community does and change some of their tactics which cause 8 hour lines.
hanimmal
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Low funding and gerrymandering of the Republican state level government after years of neglect after white flight occurred in those cities.
I am sure if the people in those 'Democratic' cities had not had to deal with shit like Redlining (as recent as this millennium) to keep their tax base artificially low they could be able to do more about a lot of the problems.
yeah Trump has only been here for 4 years. Seems like something Biden could have looked into at some point. At least you know your priorities and that way you guys can create a policy to solve the issues you're most concerned with. it's rough being a democrat even though they are highly wealthy people who live in nice areas unlike redneck Trump supporters and their meth shacks.
hanimmal
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Shit Trump actually had a lawsuit against him for the actual practices of redlining by keeping black people out of his properties, so I really wouldn't think he would have done much.
I am sure that Biden was actively trying to get neighborhoods integrated, in fact the troll that Biden was against school desegregation is a out of context quote of his that he was trying to explain to the nation that it would end up with where we are at today.
Also, what part of the Democrats only having the ability to get their legislation through DC for only 6 years in the last 50 is confusing to you?
Snowflaking? Because that above is devoid of reality. Just like Democrats, Trump supporters come in lots of flavors. Lots of religious people live in nice homes, but are unfortunately brainwashed into thinking that Democrats kill babies and are anti-religion when they are not.