2020 MASSACHUSETTS outdoor grow Thread!

matty-berk

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I feel so blessed to have been able to make it this far on my first grow. I’m most definitely addicted to this growing thing now. Had to harvest one of the little girls the other day. She smells good hanging up can’t wait to see!
 

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Zeez

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"Cull Da Sack"

Ive been looking to buy land out there, been searching for over a year... Now its gone even slower though, I've resorted to using tax maps to find "abandoned" raw property, where the owners are elderly and have florida/out of state addresses...

Looking to get at least 10-15ac semi remote, off paved road for under 100k... If anyone knows anybody.
There are a bunch of 10-15 acre lots as low as $17k.

Check Zillow.
https://www.zillow.com/ma/land/?searchQueryState={"pagination":{},"usersSearchTerm":"massachusetts","mapBounds":{"west":-73.36263631115285,"east":-72.05663655529348,"south":41.96574568046861,"north":42.79955827731589},"regionSelection":[{"regionId":26,"regionType":2}],"isMapVisible":true,"filterState":{"sort":{"value":"pricea"},"ah":{"value":true},"sf":{"value":false},"manu":{"value":false},"con":{"value":false},"mf":{"value":false},"apa":{"value":false},"tow":{"value":false},"lot":{"min":435600}},"isListVisible":true}
 

dunphy

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Yeah, Been through all those on zillow, redfin, LnF and landwatch and plenty others... Many of the listings I saw out berkshires way are in like beckett and are part of HOA which would frown on growing I assume... and the ones I've checked out wont let travel trailers parked on there, which Ill be living in one while I prepare the land and get the house built.
Think I've decided 100% no HOA or any other BS or some people telling me what I can do.

I keep up with the newer postings, but the ones that are really worth it in the areas that Im looking at, are few and far between on those sites, Thats why Ive been tracking people down and making arrangements to check out there property even if theyre out of state, and will likely be making a cash offer or ideally an arrangement to purchase a large sect of some retired couples land for dirt cheap, Just because they havent thought of selling, or wanted to put the work in... If I show up with cash many will do it, especially when you tell people you want to restore the land, and take care of it organically... They sometimes have sentimental value and want to see the land go to some good use, not be torn down and developed... Sometimes properties will sit in families because they dont have the cash to fix it up, theyre old and out of state, no family, etc. But at the same time they dont want to sell it to developers ... Shit with a little work you could land a free piece of property just maintaining it and putting in work until you've "paid" it off in labor... I have a cousin who did this for 2 acres on the corner of someones 50 acre property and had no cash just a tiny house and the will to work and courage to ask.


Thank you for the link though, appreciate that.
 

Zeez

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I've been looking out there too. Not planning on doing anything right away. Maybe rent some out for 'recreational use'.
 

kovidkough

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I'm down the Mohawk Trail a bit towards Greenfield, used to live in Colrain, that's a great grow.zone out there (the Berkshires) wish wife and I could find a place to rent out there for our golden years. Are you talking hydro inside growing or (none hydro) out? Personally, if you are anywhere in the Berkshires, I would suggest the outdoor grow. You could do.some amazing stuff . And if you ever need security hooked up let me know, I have references.
I am following this thread in mental prep for my first outdoor (I have several seasons under my belt indoors) but 1200w can be expensive year round and it would be nice to have some outside. my main concern is yes security (my neighbors partake in other things I frown on) that alone makes any plant outside a target for rippers. I am going to try to wait til I have better outdoor access or share crop with a land owner (only really good friends)
 

mattypacks

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Pulling 4 plants Sunday the earliest into Monday/Tuesday. Planning to do a staggered harvest starting with the outer mains and the rest maybe 5-7 days later. Then every other plant up until the last girl which will finish last week of oct/1st week nov if it gets that far.
Some night shots -

Strawberry Eclair : ySE1.jpgySE2.jpg Bagseed : yMOG1.jpgyMOG2.jpgyMOG3.jpg Critical Orange Punch : yCOP1.jpgyCOP2.jpg
Critical Super Silver Haze : yCSSH1.jpgyCSSH2.jpg

Mold/PM has been minimal which I am super thankful for. Cats under control for the most part. I did see an aphid and spider mite infestation starting on a few plants, what a weird time for that. Despite all the hell the plants have been through with the stalk damage and other issues they sure as hell still produced some good looking buds!
 

dunphy

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Pulling 4 plants Sunday the earliest into Monday/Tuesday. Planning to do a staggered harvest starting with the outer mains and the rest maybe 5-7 days later. Then every other plant up until the last girl which will finish last week of oct/1st week nov if it gets that far.
Some night shots -

Strawberry Eclair : View attachment 4701186View attachment 4701187 Bagseed : View attachment 4701183View attachment 4701184View attachment 4701185 Critical Orange Punch : View attachment 4701179View attachment 4701180
Critical Super Silver Haze : View attachment 4701181View attachment 4701182

Mold/PM has been minimal which I am super thankful for. Cats under control for the most part. I did see an aphid and spider mite infestation starting on a few plants, what a weird time for that. Despite all the hell the plants have been through with the stalk damage and other issues they sure as hell still produced some good looking buds!
Great job, beautiful finishing colors on the eclair and bagseed.

I saw a branch with some aphids starting as well on my OG Kush, it happen to be the one that snapped so it got a bud wash and havent spotted any on any other branches or plants, But yeah I thought that was kind of weird they showed up that late.Recently saw more ladybugs floating around so thats good at least.
 

crisnpropa

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Think I'd rather split a duplex with someone lol, however, your plan has merit, logic, and makes sense. I've only a couple questions.
I believe in MA, there are only 12 plants allowed per property. Even if you split a fourplex nto a sixplex, anything beyond 12 plants per building lot is a grey area.
I can't really base any more strategies on this without more info. Are you suggesting like a grow co-op? I am intrigued. Tell me more.
Is it 12 plants per property, or per residence? How is residence defined? If a property has a three-family residence, with all three units being rented to unrelated families, each one is allowed up to 12 plants, correct? (6 per person up to 2 people, 6 can be flowering and 6 in veg). So does that mean if said 3-unit building has a common outdoor grow space, then 18 to 36 plants could be permitted to be grown outside on the property?
 

dunphy

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Is it 12 plants per property, or per residence? How is residence defined? If a property has a three-family residence, with all three units being rented to unrelated families, each one is allowed up to 12 plants, correct? (6 per person up to 2 people, 6 can be flowering and 6 in veg). So does that mean if said 3-unit building has a common outdoor grow space, then 18 to 36 plants could be permitted to be grown outside on the property?
Interested in this as well... Always wondered about that for a friend who lives in a duplex. Please update us if you hear anything outside of this thread.
 

PioneerValleyOG

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I am following this thread in mental prep for my first outdoor (I have several seasons under my belt indoors) but 1200w can be expensive year round and it would be nice to have some outside. my main concern is yes security (my neighbors partake in other things I frown on) that alone makes any plant outside a target for rippers. I am going to try to wait til I have better outdoor access or share crop with a land owner (only really good friends)
Hmu with a pm and I can help you with security
 

Zeez

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Why should someone living in a multifamily house have any less right than anyone else? Just divide up the growable area and assign it to each residence.
 

PioneerValleyOG

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Yeah basically....72 plant count across 6 separate lots. Just splitting the cost of professional greenhouse, materials, labor, security, etc. a co-op farm of sorts... But just pieced apart legally the property lines are exact to stay within the legal plant limits there by avoiding inspections/registering as a co-op/business or even telling anyone about it at all in MA...

Id talk to a lawyer first, but it was a moonshot idea for if I ever had a bunch of money to blow on my own neighborhood development.
Wasnt planned out at all... Just a quick stupid thought and drawing I had one night.



EDIT: Originally it started by thinking of a shared greenhouse between me and my neighbors yard, we both grow marijuana, and hes an old hippie dude whos into gardening and other cool stuff, so it just started with that.... Which may be a very cheap and easy idea to test.
Or... you could simply be an investor in the BC movement, apparently, with the right investors, and the right business model, you could turn 300k into a million dollar a year operation.. Observe their model, downsize it if you would. Or right size it even better. Research the successful methods that many have used, learn from the mistakes and successes already documented.
Right sizing is the best advice I can give. Starting small can teach you many things along your path to creating a larger design.

Other advice I would give, location, location, location. Gotta find that spot, maybe not your first spot, but your varsity spot should specialize in many things. Deception, security, production, Anonymity, law bending not breaking, or otherwise.
When I say bend, we all bend the law to some extent. I have 12 plants, and one little 11 incher in with the sunflowers. According to law, thats 13 plants and they can come and yank them all. Its a non productive plant, might have a gram dried if Im lucky, but its bending the law.
So are we speaking of bending the law by our own selective interpretation that we feel we could argue with? As in 'Well six couples live here, so we can grow 72 plants' ?
When I lived in the Emerald Triangle, they would do just this. All hired help and employees lived on site, each had the proper paperwork, so when the 5-0 showed up to raid the 672 plant grow, all the proper paperwork was in order when asked for.( As each resident could legally grow X amount of plants)
Now, lets talk seriously about outdoor grows vs indoor. Because, dont know if youve seen any of @ganga gurl420 plants, but 72 of them suckers would keep Japan high for a year. You have high overhead growing inside, not to mention risk. Growing outside legal you could produce far more for a lot less.

Old lady is getting at me, (bed:sleep:) but I would love to hear more on this idea. I dont have cash to be an investor or partner, but if and when it comes to security, give me a jingle. Its one of my gifts. Always available to consult or help.
GN, Peace, and Namaste. May your soggy buds end in sun and wind that dries your medicine with no rot or problems.

Might just barely make it to harvest...bongsmilie
 

moonman33

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Guys, don't wanna be a downer but 2 things.

12 is 12. Go bigger and run the risk. Not a big risk unless you do hundreds or run your mouth about it, but 12 is the law with a 2 person household and it does not go up with more adults in the house.

Secondly, @PioneerValleyOG I don't wanna burst your bubble, but 300k for 1 mil in a year isn't a thing. Thats a pyramid scheme. If I gave you 300k to do it today, you'd have 0 tomorrow.

Way to make millions on pot is to go get a license, or open a dispensary, but again huge initial out put of cash most cant do. This is intentional and the pot industry has been taken over by rich investor's so guys like us cant get a foot in.


Local guy was selling heavy and got busted it was on mass live about a month back. Millions in cash, lots of cars etc.. etc... All gone.


edit: I wonder how caregivers do.
 

NebieDewbieGrower

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Guys, don't wanna be a downer but 2 things.

12 is 12. Go bigger and run the risk. Not a big risk unless you do hundreds or run your mouth about it, but 12 is the law with a 2 person household and it does not go up with more adults in the house.

Secondly, @PioneerValleyOG I don't wanna burst your bubble, but 300k for 1 mil in a year isn't a thing. Thats a pyramid scheme. If I gave you 300k to do it today, you'd have 0 tomorrow.

Way to make millions on pot is to go get a license, or open a dispensary, but again huge initial out put of cash most cant do. This is intentional and the pot industry has been taken over by rich investor's so guys like us cant get a foot in.


Local guy was selling heavy and got busted it was on mass live about a month back. Millions in cash, lots of cars etc.. etc... All gone.


edit: I wonder how caregivers do.
Well if anything matters.. Sometimes you do have to deal with investors or sometimes you can deal with people with money who want in on the business. I have been working in the cannabis industry for 3 years as a purchasing manager and I just helped my neighbor make a decision on him investing in almost 1 million in a business that will be opening in Uxbridge, MA.

It is ran by big business and MA has allowed outsiders to come on. Even this other guy who is opening the business got screwed over by a dispensary after he grew a few specific strains for them. The shit is cut throat and I honestly hate it, but I am looking forward to working for my neighbor next year.
 

NebieDewbieGrower

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The guy who is opening a business called Trade Roots I spoke with briefly also is a member of the program the CCC put out.. Can't think of it, but it is based off the whole jail reform thing.
 
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