So whats a MAGAs excuse for believing Trump won?

DCcan

DCcan

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Rob Roy said:
So has anyone heard anything about lawsuits in Pennsylvania? I heard a judge ruled some election activities in the state were unconstitutional.
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All his PA suits are dead and baseless. I'm certain you heard wrong, unless you refer to republican election activities that were called out.

A few excerpts from the opinion:
“The Campaign tries to repackage these state-law claims as unconstitutional discrimination. Yet its allegations are vague and conclusory. It never alleges that anyone treated the Trump campaign or Trump votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or Biden votes. And federal law does not require poll watchers or specify how they may observe. It also says nothing about curing technical state-law errors in ballots. Each of these defects is fatal, and the proposed Second Amended Complaint does not fix them. So the District Court properly denied leave to amend again.”
“Nor does the Campaign deserve an injunction to undo Pennsylvania’s certification of its votes. The Campaign’s claims have no merit. The number of ballots it specifically challenges is far smaller than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. And it never claims fraud or that any votes were cast by illegal voters. Plus, tossing out millions of mail-in ballots would be drastic and unprecedented, disenfranchising a huge swath of the electorate and upsetting all down-ballot races too. That remedy would be grossly disproportionate to the procedural challenges raised. So we deny the motion for an injunction pending appeal.”
The opinion concludes:
Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections. The ballots here are governed by Pennsylvania election law. No federal law requires poll watchers or specifies where they must live or how close they may stand when votes are counted. Nor does federal law govern whether to count ballots with minor state-law defects or let voters cure those defects. Those are all issues of state law, not ones that we can hear. And earlier lawsuits have rejected those claims.
Seeking to turn those state-law claims into federal ones, the Campaign claims discrimination. But its alchemy cannot transmute lead into gold. The Campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter. It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so. The Second Amended Complaint still suffers from these core defects, so granting leave to amend would have been futile.
And there is no basis to grant the unprecedented injunction sought here. First, for the reasons already given, the Campaign is unlikely to succeed on the merits. Second, it shows no irreparable harm, offering specific challenges to many fewer ballots than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. Third, the Campaign is responsible for its delay and repetitive litigation. Finally, the public interest strongly favors finality, counting every lawful voter’s vote, and not disenfranchising millions of Pennsylvania voters who voted by mail. Plus, discarding those votes could disrupt every other election on the ballot.
We will thus affirm the District Court’s denial of leave to amend, and we deny an injunction pending appeal….
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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DCcan said:
All his PA suits are dead and baseless. I'm certain you heard wrong, unless you refer to republican election activities that were called out.

A few excerpts from the opinion:
“The Campaign tries to repackage these state-law claims as unconstitutional discrimination. Yet its allegations are vague and conclusory. It never alleges that anyone treated the Trump campaign or Trump votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or Biden votes. And federal law does not require poll watchers or specify how they may observe. It also says nothing about curing technical state-law errors in ballots. Each of these defects is fatal, and the proposed Second Amended Complaint does not fix them. So the District Court properly denied leave to amend again.”
“Nor does the Campaign deserve an injunction to undo Pennsylvania’s certification of its votes. The Campaign’s claims have no merit. The number of ballots it specifically challenges is far smaller than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. And it never claims fraud or that any votes were cast by illegal voters. Plus, tossing out millions of mail-in ballots would be drastic and unprecedented, disenfranchising a huge swath of the electorate and upsetting all down-ballot races too. That remedy would be grossly disproportionate to the procedural challenges raised. So we deny the motion for an injunction pending appeal.”
The opinion concludes:
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Just found this. (below) Haven't read anything on the link yet. Maybe it's a different lawsuit than the one you are referring to?

Pennsylvania trial court rules the 2020 election was likely unconstitutional in Pennsylvania, and that gives state legislators power to choose electors. https://t.co/pWt9g81ld1

— Robert Barnes (@Barnes_Law) November 28, 2020
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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Rob Roy said:
Just found this. (below) Haven't read anything on the link yet. Maybe it's a different lawsuit than the one you are referring to?

Pennsylvania trial court rules the 2020 election was likely unconstitutional in Pennsylvania, and that gives state legislators power to choose electors. https://t.co/pWt9g81ld1

— Robert Barnes (@Barnes_Law) November 28, 2020
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Face it Bob, it’s over. trump is gone.

trump 2024, right?
 
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schuylaar

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Rob Roy said:
I don't like Trump and would never vote for him, but I did notice his hands are much bigger than Clinton's.

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clintons thumb is wrapped around donalds twice..dang clinton's big and bigger..:o

look at that fvcker Trump trying to use the Trump power handshake by keeping his are close to him and pulling the other person over.

it didn't work..bravo bill! he wouldn't allow himself to be pulled into trumps personal space..trumpy did a little lean in to and that didn't work either:lol:
 
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schuylaar

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CunningCanuk said:
You’ve exposed yourself again (I’m assuming It’s not the first time). You’re not an individualist, yer a trumper.
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ding! ding! ding! now that you've guessed Rumplestiltskins name he has to give you his RIU password.

you know part of the enjoyment is the exposure.
 
DCcan

DCcan

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Rob Roy said:
Just found this. (below) Haven't read anything on the link yet. Maybe it's a different lawsuit than the one you are referring to?

Pennsylvania trial court rules the 2020 election was likely unconstitutional in Pennsylvania, and that gives state legislators power to choose electors. https://t.co/pWt9g81ld1

— Robert Barnes (@Barnes_Law) November 28, 2020
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The claim centers on PA constitution claims that were covered in a prior suit about illness section, and this suit was thrown out the first time because the lawyers forgot to notify the other parties, thus the emergency relief for their own ineptitude.
They found a county hedgerow judge to peddle this, nobody thinks its going anywhere.
The legislature doesn't want to appoint a slate of alternate electors anyway since that taints all down ballot races, even a court win gets you nowhere.


(a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the municipality of their residence, because their duties, occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on the occurrence of any election, are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance of a religious holiday or who cannot vote because of election day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the election district in which they respectively reside.
 
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Skewbong

Skewbong

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blu3bird said:
I mailed my vote in and I can tell you I'm the farthest from "lazy"

I fucking work 70 hours a week. Mailing in my absentee ballot is more practical for me and it gave me a better opportunity at democracy and my voice to be heard

You going to call our soldiers overseas "lazy" because they mailed in their votes? What about all the other truck drivers that mailed in their vote, that were out on the road working their asses off so you can sleep in and get to the polls to vote when you feel like it, are they "lazy"? Are the doctors and nurses that mailed in their vote, stuck in the hospital doing double shifts caring for people sick with covid-19 "lazy"?
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Amazing response. Very well said!
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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DCcan said:
The claim centers on PA constitution claims that were covered in a prior suit about illness section, and this suit was thrown out the first time because the lawyers forgot to notify the other parties, thus the emergency relief for their own ineptitude.
They found a county hedgerow judge to peddle this, nobody thinks its going anywhere.
The legislature doesn't want to appoint a slate of alternate electors anyway, even a court win gets you nowhere.


(a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the municipality of their residence, because their duties, occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on the occurrence of any election, are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance of a religious holiday or who cannot vote because of election day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the election district in which they respectively reside.
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Oh okay, so Biden got elected Senator then?
 
DCcan

DCcan

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Rob Roy said:
Oh okay, so Biden got elected Senator then?
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huh? Section 77 is what i'm talking about. PA constitution.

The lawsuit is by several state legislators who lost, and several voters who believe that not standing in line disenfranchised their vote by illegal votes thru mail.
The redress sought is 7 million votes cast out and alternate electors for federal office, and decertification of every election in districts not including theirs.
Not happening. No basis for redress, overly broad penalties, already covered by section 77 lawsuit earlier this year for illness meaning pandemics.
 
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