To Cooltube or to not cooltube

[doogleef]

Hi All,

I am trying to decide whether to get a cooltube with my 400hps for my new grow tent - 36"x20"x62".

Ballast, 55k lumen light spec enhanced light, and a regular v shaped reflector for 148 with ship or with a cooltube for 215 shipped. I am in a rather cool climate and I'm not positive that i will need the cooltube to keep temps in range. Even when summer rolls back around I have central AC to help. On the other hand if I do need it it will cost me more to get it later.

LEt meknow your thoughts. I'm getting a light tonight. Just not sure which reflector I want.

 

[socom3riot]

Hi All,

I am trying to decide whether to get a cooltube with my 400hps for my new grow tent - 36"x20"x62".

Ballast, 55k lumen light spec enhanced light, and a regular v shaped reflector for 148 with ship or with a cooltube for 215 shipped. I am in a rather cool climate and I'm not positive that i will need the cooltube to keep temps in range. Even when summer rolls back around I have central AC to help. On the other hand if I do need it it will cost me more to get it later.

LEt meknow your thoughts. I'm getting a light tonight. Just not sure which reflector I want.

well , with the cooltube u need fans n shit , so thats really the difference.
which website r u getn this from?

 

[doogleef]

ebay Htg Supply store w/ 10% off ebay coupon.

Yea the fan is going to be 15-20 more $.

 

[socom3riot]

honestly, if u want to spend the extra money, u can never go wrong with a cooltube, its the best u can get for heat control in my opinion

 

[doogleef]

honestly, if u want to spend the extra money, u can never go wrong with a cooltube, its the best u can get for heat control in my opinion

Yea. I am, at heart, a cheap bastard but I'm thinkin' this is a pretty good deal w/ the cooltube. Thanks for the quick reply to my silly question, man. Rep+

 

[gamer420]

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[Picasso345]

I definitely would get the cool tube. Those tents heat up. Doesn't make much sense to try and use your central air to keep that tiny space cool.

You might also want to look closer at that eBay coupon. Mine was only good for 10% off up to $100.00.

 

[doogleef]

Hey guys,

I went with the cooltube reflector. Should be here in the next few days along with my seeds

 

[socom3riot]

Hey guys,

I went with the cooltube reflector. Should be here in the next few days along with my seeds

cool , u will be happy with it, i guarantee it. Sometimes its worth the extra money, especially if ur growin

 

[doogleef]

cool , u will be happy with it, i guarantee it. Sometimes its worth the extra money, especially if ur growin

Yea. If it increases my yield by both keeping it cooler as well as allowing the light to be closer to the tops then it was money well spent

 

[Unique]

Two things:

1. If you dont get the cooltube you will wish you had in a month or so.
2. If you get the 400w you will wish you got the 600w in a month or so.

Personal XP.

 

[doogleef]

I went with the 400 cause i have about 5 sq ft of tent to grow in. That is still over 80w per sq ft. As long as I keep the light close I should be able to get close to a gram per watt from my 18 plant sog.

600 is my next step though. Will have to move first.

 

[socom3riot]

yea its all on the size and number of plants u want to grow... ofcourse the higher wattage ones are better.. but really not needed if , well , u dnt need it.

 

[ripz]

it will lower your lumens so will not neccesarily increase yield depending on the conditions you normaly grow in it might actually decrease yield. the reflector on cooltubes is a complete waste of time they dont give a nice light spread at all and you waste a lot of light as its not concentrated in the right way, sputnik air cooled reflectors are much better and only slightly more expensive, only drawback is you need to silicon seal it if smell is an issue as its not a sealed unit like the cooltube.

 

[doogleef]

The internal reflector on the cooltube is a concern but it can be removed. I am thinking I will remove it and attach the tube to a DIT batwing reflector.

I thought about just DIY cooltube but I had a hard time finding one of those bake-a-around tubes for less that about $20. That would put the DIY cost at about 40-45 with everything else. The one I bought was only an extra 65 so only $20 savings. . My time is more and more valuable as i grow older so it wasn't worth it to me.

 

[Landragon]

Cooltubes and their ilk suck. It's on of the worst designs ever. As stated, re internal reflector is a joke, but putting on an external reflector is only marginally better. In order for much of the light to reach your garden, it must pass through the bulbs glass, the cool tubes glass , off the reflector, back down through cooltube glass, and past the bulb through the cooltube again. Pretty cappy since that glass takes 10-20% each time, as well as slightly altering spectrum unless your cooltube happens to be made of tempered low lead glass, which it isn't. Cooltubes do one thing good, cool, everything else about them is subpar. There are much better ducted reflectors on the market. I know it's too late for this grow, by next time factor in geometry and physics into your purchase. Lots of people will tout how awesome cooltubes are, but science trumps anecdote anyday.

 

[h8popo]

Cooltubes and their ilk suck. It's on of the worst designs ever. As stated, re internal reflector is a joke, but putting on an external reflector is only marginally better. In order for much of the light to reach your garden, it must pass through the bulbs glass, the cool tubes glass , off the reflector, back down through cooltube glass, and past the bulb through the cooltube again. Pretty cappy since that glass takes 10-20% each time, as well as slightly altering spectrum unless your cooltube happens to be made of tempered low lead glass, which it isn't. Cooltubes do one thing good, cool, everything else about them is subpar. There are much better ducted reflectors on the market. I know it's too late for this grow, by next time factor in geometry and physics into your purchase. Lots of people will tout how awesome cooltubes are, but science trumps anecdote anyday.

what would you recommend for a hood then? im in the market, and i was thinkin a cool tube.

 

[doogleef]

Cooltubes and their ilk suck. It's on of the worst designs ever. As stated, re internal reflector is a joke, but putting on an external reflector is only marginally better. In order for much of the light to reach your garden, it must pass through the bulbs glass, the cool tubes glass , off the reflector, back down through cooltube glass, and past the bulb through the cooltube again. Pretty cappy since that glass takes 10-20% each time, as well as slightly altering spectrum unless your cooltube happens to be made of tempered low lead glass, which it isn't. Cooltubes do one thing good, cool, everything else about them is subpar. There are much better ducted reflectors on the market. I know it's too late for this grow, by next time factor in geometry and physics into your purchase. Lots of people will tout how awesome cooltubes are, but science trumps anecdote anyday.

Your figure of 10-20% is overinflated. As long as the glass is clean it is not that high. I got the recommendation for a tube from the best grower I know so i went with it. For superior heat removal there is nothing better IMHO. The air cooled hoods do not have great flow and radiate heat that I didn't want. THanks for the reply anyway. Cheers

 

[Landragon]

my numbers are based on a test using sixteen points of measurement in a 3' grid. I used a digital lux meter. Tests were done at all sixteen points and at 1', 2', & 3' high. A Pyrex baketube, sunleaves maxtube, sun system lightpipe, and bare bulb were tested, as well as several other reflectors (my grow shop loves me). Internal reflectors on the tubes, as well as external gullwing style on the tubes and bare bulb. I may not have clearly worded my statements earlier. Total loss when traveling through ALL glass fields resulted in minimum loss of 8.39% and maximum loss of 21.78% at single points within the grid. Averaged into all measurements, a loss of 3-5% was seen. When using the internal reflector on the tubes the problem was the worse. I used the bare bulb as a base measurement for calculating each setup's loss. There are times when the cooling benefit outweighs the lumen loss, but other reflectors on the market can fix this issue and still give even light spread. I tested with clean glass, and with finger smudges and dried spray also by the way. All I can say about that is keep them clean. Good luck with your grow. Yacky da!

 

[Landragon]

the best reflectors on the market for potent, even light spread over square or rectangular canopies are PL Lighting Systems. But they are pricey, and require slight modification to properly keep the glass cool. They are properly designed by Hortilux and have various models for different spreads or wattages. At 12" from the "deep" model, a 400w solarmax hps has 80% the output of a 600w solarmax in a sun system enclosed digital ballasted model, averaged from a 2' square. At 24" it had 20% more output, and at 36" it had 60% more. Both bulbs tested were new ones that had been left on for 150 hours prior to testing.