Will You Take The Vaccine?

Are you going to take the corona virus vaccine?

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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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FresnoFarmer said:
Because I don’t want an experimental injection I am automatically a Trump supporter? Wow.
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All the other bullshit you've posted has revealed you as a civil warrior at war with America and trying to do it and Americans harm. You have two choices, stupid or malicious, perhaps both though.
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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U79 said:
Here is the contributing factor: an unhealthy lifestyle involving the consumption of hazarous amounts of sugar. It is all well known that diabetics end up having to amputate limbs. It is all because of their poor lifestyle choices.
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Read this dumbass

london.ctvnews.ca

'Even an Olympic champion can be crippled by this thing': London, Ont. gold medallist battling COVID-19

Alex Kopacz says he's never felt so close to the grave. The Olympic champion brakeman in men's bobsled is in hospital with COVID-19.
london.ctvnews.ca
 
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FresnoFarmer said:
An overview of the current evidence regarding the effectiveness of face masks.
1. Studies on the effectiveness of face masks
So far, most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.
  1. A May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the US CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. (Source)
  2. A Danish randomized controlled trial with 6000 participants, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine in November 2020, found no statistically significant effect of high-quality medical face masks against SARS-CoV-2 infection in a community setting. (Source)
  3. A large randomized controlled trial with close to 8000 participants, published in October 2020 in PLOS One, found that face masks “did not seem to be effective against laboratory-confirmed viral respiratory infections nor against clinical respiratory infection.” (Source)
  4. A February 2021 review by the European CDCfound no significant evidence supporting the effectiveness of non-medical and medical face masks in the community. Furthermore, the European CDC advised against the use of FFP2/N95 masks by the general public. (Source)
  5. A July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of face masks against virus infection or transmission. (Source)
  6. A November 2020 Cochrane review found that face masks did not reduce influenza-like illness (ILI) cases, neither in the general population nor in health care workers. (Source)
  7. An April 2020 review by two US professors in respiratory and infectious disease from the University of Illinois concluded that face masks have no effect in everyday life, neither as self-protection nor to protect third parties (so-called source control). (Source)
  8. An article in the New England Journal of Medicine from May 2020 came to the conclusion that face masks offer little to no protection in everyday life. (Source)
  9. A 2015 study in the British Medical Journal BMJ Open found that cloth masks were penetrated by 97% of particles and may increase infection risk by retaining moisture or repeated use. (Source)
  10. An August 2020 review by a German professorin virology, epidemiology and hygiene found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of face masks and that the improper daily use of masks by the public may in fact lead to an increase in infections. (Source)
Development of cases after mask mandates
In many states, coronavirus infections strongly increased after mask mandates had been introduced. The following charts show the typical examples of Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Spain, the UK, California and Hawaii. Furthermore, a direct comparison between US states with and without mask mandates indicates that mask mandates have made no difference.

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/
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I just pick an article at random, not going to go through them all.

#8. No testing, no data, just a doctor's opinion. Basically writes off masks in public with a wave of the hand and then focuses on health care workers.

"More insidious may be the health care worker who comes to work with mild and ambiguous symptoms, such as fatigue or muscle aches, or a scratchy throat and mild nasal congestion, that they attribute to working long hours or stress or seasonal allergies, rather than recognizing that they may have early or mild Covid-19. In our hospitals, we have already seen a number of instances in which staff members either came to work well but developed symptoms of Covid-19 partway through their shifts or worked with mild and ambiguous symptoms that were subsequently diagnosed as Covid-19. These cases have led to large numbers of our patients and staff members being exposed to the virus and a handful of potentially linked infections in health care workers. Masking all providers might limit transmission from these sources by stopping asymptomatic and minimally symptomatic health care workers from spreading virus-laden oral and nasal droplets.

What is clear, however, is that universal masking alone is not a panacea. A mask will not protect providers caring for a patient with active Covid-19 if it’s not accompanied by meticulous hand hygiene, eye protection, gloves, and a gown. A mask alone will not prevent health care workers with early Covid-19 from contaminating their hands and spreading the virus to patients and colleagues. Focusing on universal masking alone may, paradoxically, lead to more transmission of Covid-19 if it diverts attention from implementing more fundamental infection-control measures."

Since the time the article was written, May 21, 2020 knowledge of how transmissions occur has changed. The Authors did not want masks to be diverted from the medical community as they were short on masks. Now the supply of masks have increased and the premis of the article, masks diverted from the medical community, has been taken care of.

I pulled up studies to say the masks do help.

Effectiveness of Surgical and Cotton Masks in Blocking SARS–CoV-2: A Controlled Comparison in 4 Patients

The First Randomized, Controlled Clinical Trial of Mask Use in Households to Prevent Respiratory Virus Transmission

More if you want to find them, I have stuff to do.
 
FresnoFarmer

FresnoFarmer

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V256.420 said:
I never said trump. You still didn't answer my question. Tough guy :rolleyes:
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They can say I have to get it. Nobody is going to make me get it.

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
Article 6 – Consent

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice
 
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V256.420

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FresnoFarmer said:
They can say I have to get it. Nobody is going to make me get it.

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
Article 6 – Consent

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice
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I'm going to make you get it. I'll be right over with needle in hand. Tough guy :rolleyes:
 
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For me, the annoyance is in the totality of it. As we see here, people arguing every possible angle; masks don't work, I've never heard of side effects before so obviously everyone is going to die, it's mutating mah denim jeans, you're all just sheep and I'm at the blue man level, oh and you're not the boss of me.

I just wish people would show a hint of consideration for others. Not one single person that doesn't want the vaccine has come in here and said, "I sympathize with everyone's desire for herd immunity, but I have some worries about it, so I'm going to hold off for now and do my very best to mask up and wash my hands to help keep everyone safe".
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Someone and their socks are spending a lot of time and effort on this vaccine thread. They are trying to do more than merely rationalizing their irrational fear. I think we are well past stupid and ignorance and well on the way to malicious antisocial behavior. Fortunately the vast majority of people think they are full of shit and I would suspect they are vaccinated themselves, as are the sources of the horse shit they spread.

About 80% of Americans will eventually be vaccinated by fall and they are trying real hard to make sure America doesn't achieve herd immunity, but are on a fools errand. If the vaccines are not completely effective at stopping the variants and vaccinated people get mild or asymptomatic cases of covid, the problem of herd immunity will be solved rather quickly. The unvaccinated will quickly succumb to covid and either die or have nature's own organic vaccine. Either way, problem solved and time to move on.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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FresnoFarmer said:
They can say I have to get it. Nobody is going to make me get it.

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
Article 6 – Consent

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice
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I would prefer if you acquired immunity the Ted Nugent way and not waste a vaccine that a human could use it.
 
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