So... When is Obama going to end the war?

NewGrowth

NewGrowth

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mdrs said:
i'll start in reverse order so my train of thought isn't broken.

oil, are you kidding? name the last time the price of oil went down because of the iraqi occupation? even better (without wikipedia now), can you tell me if iraq was a member of OPEC before the war?

what is "un-needed" labor? are those the "un-needed" jobs we don't have here? and did you just say "this is what we call the "Military Inustrial Complex." what the fuck is that supposed to mean? that makes NO sense, my friend. and as far as "spoils of war" being distributed to "poor person"s, the first ever professional army was based on that exact fact. look it up then get back to me.
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You need to do some research bro you are trying to debate with me but you don't even know what the Military Industrial complex is. Look it up its not my job to educate you. Iraq is mostly land for pipelines to be built, new transportation routes for oil from friendly countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, blocks out a big portion of the Russian oil market as well.
Professional armies are raised by rich men that back powerful governments . . . generals paid their soldiers with plunder but most of them lost their life because the general could not afford to feed them on long engagements and hostile occupations. And don't forget to pay the king his "till" (early tax on income). Sorry buddy its war no one wins :peace:
And you are right we all NEED "productive" jobs, my point is if we were not so obsessed as a society with war we would be more productive at solving our domestic problems. Domestic problems that are becoming big . . .*cough* the economy but we would rather go send our youth to die in the desert in the name of a DEAD technology. Look up America's energy addiction or Peak Oil. All of it starts to make sense when you look at it. Peak Oil is not a problem because of LACK of oil but the problem is HUGE constant demand for that oil. We simply can not pump enough oil and the oil that we would need would require us to drill farther and farther offshore and in more remote locations increasing costs of drilling to a point that it is no longer cost effective to drill for oil.
This is the larger picture I am discussing until you see the whole picture you will continue to believe we fight and altruistic crusade in Iraq.
 
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mdrs

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NewGrowth said:
You need to do some research bro you are trying to debate with me but you don't even know what the Military Industrial complex is. Look it up its not my job to educate you. Iraq is mostly land for pipelines to be built, new transportation routes for oil from friendly countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, blocks out a big portion of the Russian oil market as well.
Professional armies are raised by rich men that back powerful governments . . . generals paid their soldiers with plunder but most of them lost their life because the general could not afford to feed them on long engagements and hostile occupations. And don't forget to pay the king his "till" (early tax on income). Sorry buddy its war no one wins :peace:
And you are right we all NEED "productive" jobs, my point is if we were not so obsessed as a society with war we would be more productive at solving our domestic problems. Domestic problems that are becoming big . . .*cough* the economy but we would rather go send our youth to die in the desert in the name of a DEAD technology. Look up America's energy addiction or Peak Oil. All of it starts to make sense when you look at it. Peak Oil is not a problem because of LACK of oil but the problem is HUGE constant demand for that oil. We simply can not pump enough oil and the oil that we would need would require us to drill farther and farther offshore and in more remote locations increasing costs of drilling to a point that it is no longer cost effective to drill for oil.
This is the larger picture I am discussing until you see the whole picture you will continue to believe we fight and altruistic crusade in Iraq.
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oooooooh i loooooooooove this. every time i go to a new forum, someone always says i need to "do some research" because i ask them questions to confirm what i usually already know about their sociological/political views. you make a mistake dismissing someone who asks a question. i know what the MIC is. i only asked you to see if you had a clue enough to supply factual evidence (proof that you actually research what you talk about) regarding what you assume and (seem to hope that others won't ask for) won't do anything but dismiss those who want to do the "due dillgence" you've most assuredly done to base your opionons on.

if you want to go back an forth with me about facts, fine. i encourage it. but show me FACTS. you won't and assume i'll accept it as fact. it doesn't work that way. show me (factually) where you've researched it and i'm wrong, and i'll concede the point (solely on the basis of superior logic) otherwise, i've done the research, and i'll continue to own you.
 
NewGrowth

NewGrowth

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mdrs said:
oooooooh i loooooooooove this. every time i go to a new forum, someone always says i need to "do some research" because i ask them questions to confirm what i usually already know about their sociological/political views. you make a mistake dismissing someone who asks a question. i know what the MIC is. i only asked you to see if you had a clue enough to supply factual evidence (proof that you actually research what you talk about) regarding what you assume and (seem to hope that others won't ask for) won't do anything but dismiss those who want to do the "due dillgence" you've most assuredly done to base your opionons on.

if you want to go back an forth with me about facts, fine. i encourage it. but show me FACTS. you won't and assume i'll accept it as fact. it doesn't work that way. show me (factually) where you've researched it and i'm wrong, and i'll concede the point (solely on the basis of superior logic) otherwise, i've done the research, and i'll continue to own you.
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No I just don't want to waste my time debating something blatantly obvious to the rest of the world . . .:peace: And anybody can Google buddy its not my job to do it for you, I have other things to do.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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NewGrowth said:
No I just don't want to waste my time debating something blatantly obvious to the rest of the world . . .:peace: And anybody can Google buddy its not my job to do it for you, I have other things to do.
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^^^ Hmmm ... is someone crying "Uncle"? :lol:

MDRS ...

Nice to have a "thinker" on board. Welcome to the forum. :)

Vi
 
GrowTech

GrowTech

stays relevant.
It's not a war... it's an invasion, and it's 100% income to the people involved with organizing it.

Bush seems to think he is president of the world... What a retard.
 
chuckbane

chuckbane

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mdrs said:
every time i go to a new forum, someone always says i need to "do some research"
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Every time?

We have ourselves a full fledged Internet creeper.

Going around spreading the word of... umm... hate i guess?


And I think when there are constantly people telling you to "do some research" it may mean something.
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you dont know what the fuck you are talking about

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p.s. hey mdrs, how about you go and contribute to the growing community before coming on here and spouting your mouth off like a damn fool.



I bet you respect GWB.
 
Big P

Big P

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one day many years from now you will grudgingly know that what we did in Iraq was a great thing.



you are too narrow in heart to see it now, but one day you will know it and hate the fact that you know.











history will never let you forget,


mark my words
 
NewGrowth

NewGrowth

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Ok since Vi can't google either I concede here you guys go since you refuse to find the facts for yourself, I like this one myself: WASHINGTON — A firm suspended from U.S. government contracts for allegedly bribing Army officers was awarded a new contract in Iraq two days after the suspension was imposed, government investigators found. The Pentagon paid the suspended company more than $1 million under the new contract.
Contracting officers gave Lee Dynamics International a new contract in July 2007 despite warnings from military lawyers, according to a report issued by Stuart Bowen, special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction (SIGIR). The Joint Contracting Command-Iraq did not return calls on why Lee Dynamics was awarded the new contract. Link: Banned firms got new U.S. contracts in Iraq - USATODAY.com

Ok now to Oil: And Iraq's oil reserves, the third largest in the world, with an estimated 115 billion barrels waiting to be extracted, are a prize worth having. As Vice-President Dick Cheney noted in 1999, when he was still running Halliburton, an oil services company, the Middle East is the key to preventing the world running out of oil.
Link: Blood and oil: How the West will profit from Iraq's most precious commodity - Middle East, World - The Independent

Wait I thought Iraq had NO oil! :roll:

And finally Mr. W: June 1977
George W. Bush formed his own oil drilling company, Arbusto Energy, in Midland, Tex. James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources.

Salem bin Laden, a close friend of the Saudi King Fahd had "invested heavily in Bush's first business venture," according to The Daily Mail (U.K.).

Bath found investors for Arbusto and "made his fortune" by investing the money of two BCCI-connected Saudi sheiks, Khalid bin Mahfouz and Salem bin Laden. Mahfouz was one of the richest men in the world and a controlling shareholder in BCCI.
Note: BCCI was not a bank. It was a drug and weapons conduit and money laundering operation fronting as a bank
Link: Bush Family Oil Connections

Ok you guys happy now? There are your facts I can keep going too if you want. :peace:
 
chuckbane

chuckbane

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Big P said:
one day many years from now you will grudgingly know that what we did in Iraq was a great thing.



you are too narrow in heart to see it now, but one day you will know it and hate the fact that you know.











history will never let you forget,


mark my words
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I have seen footage of Iraqi's burning that very flag.

hmmm..

wonder why?:confused:
 
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