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hanimmal

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Do you ever get tired of sucking off putin?
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When the wall came down and the USSR crumbled, we did say we wouldn't move NATO east. But the states wanted in, so we let them. It's always a good idea to remember foreign policy is a game of poker where everyone is cheating.
Feel free to show me where I am wrong, but from the little I read on this at best there was maybe some kid trying to play parents against one another.

Soviet Union: We don't want NATO on top of us.

America: Cool we don't care about that, we are way the fuck over there.

EU nations in NATO: No way Jose'. You don't get to tell a country (who are our neighbors too) that they don't get to be in NATO if they don't want to.

SU crumbles back into Russia and doesn't actually get their 'ask' in the final agreement.

Russia 20 years later: But some dude in America once said something in some stage of negotiating a pre-Agreement! And we are going to use this bullshit as some pretext to start slaughtering citizens of our neighbors because Dear Leader wants a legacy.
 

0potato0

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Feel free to show me where I am wrong, but from the little I read on this at best there was maybe some kid trying to play parents against one another.

Soviet Union: We don't want NATO on top of us.

America: Cool we don't care about that, we are way the fuck over there.

EU nations in NATO: No way Jose'. You don't get to tell a country (who are our neighbors too) that they don't get to be in NATO if they don't want to.

SU crumbles back into Russia and doesn't actually get their 'ask' in the final agreement.

Russia 20 years later: But some dude in America once said something in some stage of negotiating a pre-Agreement! And we are going to use this bullshit as some pretext to start slaughtering citizens of our neighbors because Dear Leader wants a legacy.
People of Lugansk and Donetsk also deserve to live without being shot at. They are Russians and Russia is a nuclear superpower. Right Sector and Azov Battalion are nazis pure and simple. Just a continuation of UPA and OUN which massacred Jews and Poles by the thousands during and after WW2
 
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HGCC

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Thought the Ukraine president gave a good speech. I see Russia as a bully picking on a much weaker opponent. Don't like when america does it, don't like it when other countries do it. I think it's weird shit to cheer on the aggressor. At the same time, I do believe the best way to handle someone acting aggressively is to absolutely wreck their shit badly enough they don't ever consider it again.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
People of Lugansk and Donetsk also deserve to live without being shot at. They are Russians and Russia is a nuclear superpower. Right Sector and Azov Battalion are nazis pure and simple. Just a continuation of UPA and OUN which massacred Jews and Poles by the thousands during and after WW2
They may be mostly ethnic Russians, but they are living on Ukrainian territory. There isn’t an excuse for Russia to violate Ukraine’s sovereignty. It is a national-level criminal act rather like how Poland was done 83 years ago.
 

hanimmal

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People of Lugansk and Donetsk also deserve to live without being shot at. They are Russians and Russia is a nuclear superpower. Right Sector and Azov Battalion are nazis pure and simple. Just a continuation of UPA and OUN which massacred Jews and Poles by the thousands during and after WW2
Canada has some nazi's parading around too, does that mean that America should invade them and take over their nation as some bullshit pretext to oust it's leadership?

Of course not.

Just regurgitating Putin's propaganda doesn't make his decision to invade a neighboring nation legitimate.
 

Mr_X

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can a redhat redpill me on what trump did about the Russian Ukraine tension during his presidency besides golfing and tweeting about media?
 

0potato0

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Canada has some nazi's parading around too, does that mean that America should invade them and take over their nation as some bullshit pretext to oust it's leadership?

Of course not.

Just regurgitating Putin's propaganda doesn't make his decision to invade a neighboring nation legitimate.
What propaganda: my grandfather was born in Lvov a Pole ended up in Auschwitz where the most brutal guards were Ukrainian after war went back only to be discover his whole family had been purified by Ukro-Nazis. They not just marching in the streets they are the ones shelling and sniping civilians in Donbass last 8 years
 

Mr_X

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Trump cultists should be worrying about Iran and North Korea nukes rather than Russia's nukes.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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What People Are Getting Wrong About How Sanctioning Russia Works


Hagar Chemali, former senior policy advisor to the Treasury Sanctions Division, explains how sanctions work within a broader strategy to pressure a country, in this case Russia, to change its behavior.
 
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