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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
I completely agree.

Not giving voice to the nutjobs, trolls or agents posting crap about "bad 'merica because Cuba so why be mad about Ukraine now?" and other lunacy. But your post caused me to turn the mirror around and imagine this is how people looked upon the US when we went into Vietnam or overstayed in Afghanistan by about 18 years too long or sent drone strikes that killed civilians. As a person who lives in the US and have always been ashamed of those actions I never saw it from with an outsider's perspective.

Not trying to equate anything with Putin's inhumanity. Just sharing a recent shift in my perspective.

All indications are that Russia will not prosper from this action, nor will he be able to hold Ukraine, much less invade other countries ever again. I don't think this is going to end well or any time soon unless Vlad goes nuclear. But then again, I didn't think Putin would invade, so I'm not predicting anything, just preparing for the worst.
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from all accounts, he can't spend the manpower or the money to secure the country, all he can do is thrash around and do as much damage as possible till he runs out of men, money, and time. he needs a certain number to maintain and defend internally, and he already has men in belarus helping maintain order and arrest protestors. he doesn't really have anywhere else to recruit or conscript from, which is why he was trying to recruit mercenaries, i would assume.
https://www.consultancy.eu/news/7433/research-ukraine-war-costs-russian-military-20-billion-per-day
that article was written 8 days ago, i can't find a more current one at the moment, but it cost the russians 7B for the first 4 days, how long can he afford to lose men and money at the rate he is? with the sanctions startingto bite, and the people getting nervous about being able to buy potatoes, cabbage, and vodka?
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 10
Mar 10, 2022 - Press ISW

The likelihood is increasing that Ukrainian forces could fight to a standstill the Russian ground forces attempting to encircle and take Kyiv. Russian forces also appear to be largely stalemated around Kharkiv and distracted from efforts to seize that city. Russian advances in the south around Mykolayiv and toward Zaporizhya and in the east around Donetsk and Luhansk made little progress as well in the last 24 hours. Russia likely retains much greater combat power in the south and east and will probably renew more effective offensive operations in the coming days, but the effective reach and speed of such operations is questionable given the general performance of the Russian military to date. There are as yet no indications that the Russian military is reorganizing, reforming, learning lessons, or taking other measures that would lead to a sudden change in the pace or success of its operations, although the numerical disparities between Russia and Ukraine leave open the possibility that Moscow will be able to restore rapid mobility or effective urban warfare to the battlefield.
 
Offmymeds

Offmymeds

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
from all accounts, he can't spend the manpower or the money to secure the country, all he can do is thrash around and do as much damage as possible till he runs out of men, money, and time. he needs a certain number to maintain and defend internally, and he already has men in belarus helping maintain order and arrest protestors. he doesn't really have anywhere else to recruit or conscript from, which is why he was trying to recruit mercenaries, i would assume.
https://www.consultancy.eu/news/7433/research-ukraine-war-costs-russian-military-20-billion-per-day
that article was written 8 days ago, i can't find a more current one at the moment, but it cost the russians 7B for the first 4 days, how long can he afford to lose men and money at the rate he is? with the sanctions startingto bite, and the people getting nervous about being able to buy potatoes, cabbage, and vodka?
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I think Putin tested his mercenaries in Syria against US troops. They got shredded but they went in again in Crimea.

taskandpurpose.com

How That Massive Battle Between US Troops And Russian Mercenaries In Syria Went Down

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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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All of those corrupt officials and generals in the Russian Ministry of Defense must be paralyzed by fear, as are senior people in the field. Vlad is gonna blame them for stealing the military budget over 20 years, because they did and it won't take his internal security forces too long to come up with a very long list of names and offenses, from the minister down to colonels. All the key Russians involved are worried about their skins and with good reason! Being under such stress interferes with job performance and sleep, they know what they did and realize what is happening. They await a couple of guys showing up at their home or the office, to take them away, come comrade, we go for little drive... It's probably the only thing on their mind right now, that and how in the fuck do they get out of Russia now! If guilty and in Ukraine a way out might be to surrender...
 
Offmymeds

Offmymeds

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DIY-HP-LED said:
All of those corrupt officials and generals in the Russian Ministry of Defense must be paralyzed by fear, as are senior people in the field. Vlad is gonna blame them for stealing the military budget over 20 years, because they did and it won't take his internal security forces too long to come up with a very long list of names and offenses, from the minister down to colonels. All the key Russians involved are worried about their skins and with good reason! Being under such stress interferes with job performance and sleep, they know what they did and realize what is happening. They await a couple of guys showing up at their home or the office, to take them away, come comrade, we go for little drive... It's probably the only thing on their mind right now, that and how in the fuck do they get out of Russia now! If guilty and in Ukraine a way out might be to surrender...
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Putin made that arrangement. He knew. He just didn't know exactly how much. Also another reason for Putin (my subconscious mind had my fingers start to type Trump rather than Putin) to keep his advisers 30 feet away. They might take a preemptive strike. They understand how Putin operates.
 
Offmymeds

Offmymeds

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Putin is in a world of hurt. He can't trust his advisers, his generals, his oligarchs, or China. I can imagine the deals he might be forced to cut with China. China knows he'd renege on any future benefits, such as, oil/gas leases and any kind of collaboration. The last thing Putin wants is to be subjugated to China the way he subjugates small states. He wanted to keep it all and may lose it all.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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BudmanTX said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501976716448780293

well......nice....go get them
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It's getting harder to make progress against rapidly stiffening resistance as all the towns and villages in their line of advance are armed to the teeth and have military advisors, in addition to rapidly growing numbers of new regular Ukrainian troops with increasing numbers of anti tank weapons and stingers.
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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Fogdog said:
I clicked on the link and pulled up the map.

That convoy from Belarus. The one that is 40 miles long and still stalled out. Their position is threatened. Why bother shipping arms into Ukraine when they can be taken from Russian soldiers and their supply train?
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this was a new column coming in from the east, the 40mile one is on the west side, if i'm right.......basically they stopped another column coming in...and if i'm right it's the one on the news outlets right now...just can't confirm....
 
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