Roger A. Shrubber
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wtf is that?...Even I and Hitler agree about the war in Ukraine...
Hitler's thoughts on Russia's invasion of Ukraine
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DIY-HP-LED
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Hitler parodies from the movie downfall people make them from clips, I've made a few myself for fun. The producers have a site with scenes you can use and can change the text to whatever you like.
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Putin places head of the FSB's foreign intelligence under house arrest
Also arrested is Anatoly Bolyukh, Beseda's deputy, according to respected author Andrey Soldatov, who said Putin is 'truly unhappy' with the agency - which he ran before becoming president.
Anti-War Russian Spies Gave Tipoff About Zelensky Assassination Attempt, Ukraine Says
Ukrainian authorities say they got a tipoff from anti-war members of Russia’s Federal Security Service.
Meet Putin's Top Enabler, FSB Boss Alexander Bortnikov
The longtime internal security chief has a major hand in Ukraine intrigue and the liquidation of internal critics alike
www.spytalk.co
Vladimir Putin has placed the head of the FSB's foreign service and his deputy under house arrest after blaming them for intelligence failings that saw his army handed a series of embarrassing defeats in Ukraine, it has been claimed.
Andrey Soldatov, a respected author on the Russian secret services, said sources inside the FSB told him that Sergey Beseda, 68, head of the agency's foreign service, has been placed under arrest on Putin's orders.
Also arrested is Anatoly Bolyukh, Beseda's deputy, according to Soldatov, who said Putin is 'truly unhappy' with the agency - which he ran before becoming president.
Earlier today, Putin was said to have sacked his top generals and is 'raging' at the FSB after failed intelligence and poor strategy saw his troops handed a series of embarrassing defeats in the opening days of the war in Ukraine.
Oleksiy Danilov, head of Ukraine's security council, said 'around eight' Russian commanders have been fired since the start of the conflict as Moscow scrambles to change strategy after its attempted 'shock and awe' blitz fell flat.
Soldatov previously told The Times that most FSB agents are brought into the service as legacy hires based on their parents or grandparents being agents and are removed from mainstream schools to be educated in-house.
This is unlike western security services, which tend to recruit from elite universities or colleges to ensure they get 'the cream of the crop'.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i think it much more likely that those are the first two of many scapegoats that will be blamed for putin's own incompetence, and crucified for the people to see.
guilty or not, the true blame lies with putin. he made poor choices in picking his generals, he made poor choices in picking a financial comptroller, he made poor choices in picking his military security, he made poor choices launching an offensive in the middle of winter, ...i don't think i need to or have time to list all his poor choices so far...
Roger A. Shrubber
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you know, when i say putin is insane, i don't mean he wears a tinfoil tricorn hat and sticks a flute up his ass to fart secret messages to the ghost of Kruschev...insanity can be very selective, only applying itself to triggered situations.
Like imagining that you can resurrect a dead empire that will then encompass the world...day to day behavior, normal, or near enough to not cause alarm...behavior about this particular subject? not so normal. pretty fucking far from normal...
MICHI-CAN
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I believe it is orgasmic delusion. He's surrounded by cock suckers saying yes sir. They are as guilty as he. And the ;comrades are very straight forward. Putin will be escorted to his grave or exile with a weapon. And my aunt always preached that Russians don't play. Putin is fucked when aunt Genine is hungry and cold. Slow resolution but coming sooner than we think.
DIY-HP-LED
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It won't help with moral at all in the intelligence services, everybody knows it was his blunder and responsibility, that his cronies robbed the army budget, so will many mid rank officers in the army, the ones who start coups. Vlad and his buddies all have access to western media and you can see them scheming and reacting, trying to get their asses out of a jam and survive. Vlad might have 60% of the population, but word spreads in Russia especially today and especially with censorship. Soon they will be living like shit and will be looking for someone to blame. Sure America has lunatic Trumpers, but they haven't been fucked like these people have been and are about too! In a month Moscow will look like soviet days, no cars on the roads and a lot of very unhappy people trying to adapt to a new painful and probably hungry reality. They imported a lot of western infrastructure too and can't get or afford repair parts any more, the business that services elevators is no longer around for instance and traffic lights will stop working.
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DIY-HP-LED
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TE Lawrence said "men who dream with their eyes open are the most dangerous men of all". That is the case with Vlad, a man with low empathy and filled with resentment and spite. He dreams of past glory when as a young KGB officer in east Germany he was a god with the power of life and death, privileged at home a member of the young elite in a global super power. It all came crashing down in 1989 and Vlad has never been the same again. He adapted and used his cunning, intelligence and skills to rise in the government, until the scum rose to the top of the festering cesspit that was and is Russia.
Vlad is not insane, he has low empathy scores that make him close to a sociopath or even one, he has a character flaw in legal terms, same as a sociopath. His innate flaws are magnified by his conditioning and life experience, Vlad believes conspiracy theories too and that is normal. Apparently Vlad believed bullshit too and unlike Trump he changed his mind about a few things, but not to the world view that is central to him and his sense of identity. Vlad has some fight in him yet and had better watch his back.
DIY-HP-LED
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Russian soldiers fear death by firing squad if they return home
Speaking at a press conference in Kyiv, a soldier from the 2nd Motor Rifle Division said he fears being killed when he is returned to Russia, speaking against a prisoner exchange.
Russian soldiers fear death by firing squad if they return home: Captured troops say they are 'already considered dead' and their funerals have already been arranged
- Russian troops say they will be killed by firing squads after a prisoner exchange
- One captured soldier said his family has already arranged his funeral in Russia
- 'In Russia, we are already considered dead,' said the captured Russian soldier
- intercepted messages show troops are running out of supplies of food and fuel
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Sativied
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That’s exactly what it was supposed to be, an economic collective. It became a lot more. That analogy with the consequences of becoming a state in the US isn’t as ridiculous as it may seem, those examples is what EU membership entails and then some. That EU drivers license is in addition to EU ID / passport and effectively open borders. In many ways, Ukraine joining EU would mean we merge with them too.
As for the question whether they pissed in our cheerios, we don’t want Turkey and other candidates either. That question implies we have some sort of obligation we refuse to fullfill. As if expanding the EU further is natural and joining is a right. As if we need a reason to deny Ukraine. As if emotions fuel our decision. The very opposite is true, unlike some people calling for Ukraine to join EU, our position is purely rational.
Let me stress every single Ukranian is welcome to stay as long as they need. We’ll take great care of them and give them housing, before ten thousand brown muslim immigrants still stuck in asylum shelters
, and despite a huge housing shortage. 8% of the population is willing to take them into their own homes, a majority is for intervening in Ukraine, people feel dirty using Russian gas. Ukranians coming to NL don’t have to notify our government or show ID at our border (nobody guarding there anyway). They already have (temp) visa free travel (association agreement).It’s not a money thing either, we’re frugal but far from selfish
https://nltimes.nl/2022/03/10/dutch-fundraiser-ukraine-aid-tops-eu137-million
There’s no way to keep this short and since it will continue to come up in media and some european politicians will continue to lie it can and will happen, so here goes!
Why not Ukraine in EU now?
We will not compromise on the Copenhagen criteria again. We’ve gone soft before, didn’t work out very well for its citizens or for us. The rules are simple, clean up your act “before“ you can join the EU. Can’t force a liberal democracy on nations with bombs or EU membership, it’s something they must do and want themselves. We’ll hold their hand along the way, but the bar will not be lowered. These are not poor excuses. Demanding a respect for human rights, minorities, deal with corruption, equality, liberal democracy, the rule of law are not just ideologies, we take that shit dead serious. West EU is in no way perfect, but we’ve had centuries of war to get where we are and are done compromising on the few things that give the EU actual meaning (stable neighbors so they don’t drag us into wars).
Nobody in EU is stopping any nation from implementing our rights and laws. To officially become a EU member, you basically have to be like a EU member in practice. Well, not like some:
Poland:
Poland: a “democratic dictatorship”
The European Union is facing one of the worst political crises that is shaking the pillars on which it is based. Authoritarianism is the new virus that is spreading throughout some Member states. By now, Hungary and Poland are expression of denied rights, indeed there is: no independent media...
www.europeangeneration.eu
Hungary:
Hungary is becoming a semi-dictatorship as the EU watches idly | View
"The EU has ignored the fact that within its borders a government is disregarding democratic values, leading the country towards populist-nationalist semi-dictatorship while they collect European taxpayers’ money."
www.euronews.com
Latest EU member Croatia. Racist, xenophobic, backward corrupt. Home of the pro-russian troll in the other thread, nuff said.
We’d very much like to kick the first two out of the EU. But we can’t. Once a nation joins, we don’t even have the tools to force them to respect the rule of law, human rights and democracy. They can veto new laws that could force them. That’s why new members have to be great examples of great EU members for more than a few years. They might elect a Trump in 8 years for all we now.
In 2021, the Ukraine was the second most corrupt in Europe
Corruption in Ukraine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
There’s above all no fast track to EU membership. President of Lithuania is absurd. If there was a possible peaceful way, for a nation to reform and meet the criteria in just a few years or even less, we would have shared it with the rest of the world and Afghanistan and Iraq would have been very different today. The suggestion it can be done while being invaded is rancid.
Why not at all (for the unforeseeable future)?
For the same reason Canada doesn’t want Florida to become part of Canada. I know, silly. When I said “we’ll still block“ I wasn’t referring to just NL. It’s not uncommon for NL to lead a pack of other members in the west when it comes to unpopular decisions, usually Germany, Denmark and others in west eu. We can handle the shade. To reform in order to meet the criteria and go through many rounds of votes requiring unanimity would have taken a decade+. Then some more for every member‘s national government to approve. After Putin invaded, it’s entirely hypothetical. We will not give Ukraine false hopes over what might happen in a decade or two. We will not be emotionally blackmailed into accepting Ukraine in EU now either. It would not trigger actions we could decide to do now, it would not create a magic shield against the Russians.
We are reluctant to all expansion of the EU, it has already grown out to be an undemocratic overregulating monster. Our presidents are not elected but selected. Articles about the EU becoming a superpower or superstate scares the shit out of people here. That’s not what we want, that’s not what we founded, that’s not what we signed up for. We’re a country, not a state in one, and would like to keep it that way. Ukraine joining the EU would result in more seats for alt right euroskeptic parties across Europe, could literally trigger a Nexit campaign (which would fail but still). Zelensky’s unrealistic request can potentially cause tension and conflict between EU members, mostly between the ones who fund it and those who benefit most. Which potentially further decreases solidarity from the west towards those who refuse to get their shit together. We’re done saving banks and sponsoring covid release packages of corrupt members who vote for incompetent populists.
Yes yes, in the context of the war they and Ukraine are obviously the good guys. In the context of would you allow your teenage children to go there on vacation they are backward racist anti-semetic corrupt shitholes with vax rates half of what they should be. We don’t need anymore of that in the EU.
We’ll continue to support Ukraine in any (other) way we can. We’ll pump billions in an improved version of Ukraine that will hopefull rise from the ashes, we wish them to have everything we enjoy, being invaded changes people (more tolerant I hope) but building a house for a neighbor in need is quite different from attaching it to your house and breaking down the walls that separate them.
AntoMaria7
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Of course they are not the cream, idk if in english exists this word ,,nepotism” but in my language is the word for hiring people because they are your family. In all post urss countries this happens on a normal basis. It’s very hard to change this around here as you would have to kill or dismiss or wtv a whole generation. The older ones. In politics, gov, nepotism is on the highest levels, not to even mentions smaller companies. It’s crazy and it’s soooo frustrating when you see so many people that are a lot under your preparation educational and professional speaking and they have a job that you could do much better but hey it’s x’s daughter/nephew/mother in law/ etcPutin places head of the FSB's foreign intelligence under house arrest
Also arrested is Anatoly Bolyukh, Beseda's deputy, according to respected author Andrey Soldatov, who said Putin is 'truly unhappy' with the agency - which he ran before becoming president.www.dailymail.co.uk
Anti-War Russian Spies Gave Tipoff About Zelensky Assassination Attempt, Ukraine Says
Ukrainian authorities say they got a tipoff from anti-war members of Russia’s Federal Security Service.www.thedailybeast.com
Meet Putin's Top Enabler, FSB Boss Alexander Bortnikov
The longtime internal security chief has a major hand in Ukraine intrigue and the liquidation of internal critics alike
Vladimir Putin has placed the head of the FSB's foreign service and his deputy under house arrest after blaming them for intelligence failings that saw his army handed a series of embarrassing defeats in Ukraine, it has been claimed.
Andrey Soldatov, a respected author on the Russian secret services, said sources inside the FSB told him that Sergey Beseda, 68, head of the agency's foreign service, has been placed under arrest on Putin's orders.
Also arrested is Anatoly Bolyukh, Beseda's deputy, according to Soldatov, who said Putin is 'truly unhappy' with the agency - which he ran before becoming president.
Earlier today, Putin was said to have sacked his top generals and is 'raging' at the FSB after failed intelligence and poor strategy saw his troops handed a series of embarrassing defeats in the opening days of the war in Ukraine.
Oleksiy Danilov, head of Ukraine's security council, said 'around eight' Russian commanders have been fired since the start of the conflict as Moscow scrambles to change strategy after its attempted 'shock and awe' blitz fell flat.
Soldatov previously told The Times that most FSB agents are brought into the service as legacy hires based on their parents or grandparents being agents and are removed from mainstream schools to be educated in-house.
This is unlike western security services, which tend to recruit from elite universities or colleges to ensure they get 'the cream of the crop'.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i get it, and i had a few thoughts in the same direction...while i hadn't sought out information about the social climate in Ukraine, i had heard a few things, and i understand some hesitancy about inviting them aboard, but my attitude was exactly, if they can invite croatia, then why not Ukrain?That’s exactly what it was supposed to be, an economic collective. It became a lot more. That analogy with the consequences of becoming a state in the US isn’t as ridiculous as it may seem, those examples is what EU membership entails and then some. That EU drivers license is in addition to EU ID / passport and effectively open borders. In many ways, Ukraine joining EU would mean we merge with them too.
As for the question whether they pissed in our cheerios, we don’t want Turkey and other candidates either. That question implies we have some sort of obligation we refuse to fullfill. As if expanding the EU further is natural and joining is a right. As if we need a reason to deny Ukraine. As if emotions fuel our decision. The very opposite is true, unlike some people calling for Ukraine to join EU, our position is purely rational.
Let me stress every single Ukranian is welcome to stay as long as they need. We’ll take great care of them and give them housing, before ten thousand brown muslim immigrants still stuck in asylum shelters
It’s not a money thing either, we’re frugal but far from selfish
https://nltimes.nl/2022/03/10/dutch-fundraiser-ukraine-aid-tops-eu137-million
There’s no way to keep this short and since it will continue to come up in media and some european politicians will continue to lie it can and will happen, so here goes!
Why not Ukraine in EU now?
We will not compromise on the Copenhagen criteria again. We’ve gone soft before, didn’t work out very well for its citizens or for us. The rules are simple, clean up your act “before“ you can join the EU. Can’t force a liberal democracy on nations with bombs or EU membership, it’s something they must do and want themselves. We’ll hold their hand along the way, but the bar will not be lowered. These are not poor excuses. Demanding a respect for human rights, minorities, deal with corruption, equality, liberal democracy, the rule of law are not just ideologies, we take that shit dead serious. West EU is in no way perfect, but we’ve had centuries of war to get where we are and are done compromising on the few things that give the EU actual meaning (stable neighbors so they don’t drag us into wars).
Nobody in EU is stopping any nation from implementing our rights and laws. To officially become a EU member, you basically have to be like a EU member in practice. Well, not like some:
Poland:
Poland: a “democratic dictatorship”
The European Union is facing one of the worst political crises that is shaking the pillars on which it is based. Authoritarianism is the new virus that is spreading throughout some Member states. By now, Hungary and Poland are expression of denied rights, indeed there is: no independent media...
Hungary:
Hungary is becoming a semi-dictatorship as the EU watches idly | View
"The EU has ignored the fact that within its borders a government is disregarding democratic values, leading the country towards populist-nationalist semi-dictatorship while they collect European taxpayers’ money."
Latest EU member Croatia. Racist, xenophobic, backward corrupt. Home of the pro-russian troll in the other thread, nuff said.
We’d very much like to kick the first two out of the EU. But we can’t. Once a nation joins, we don’t even have the tools to force them to respect the rule of law, human rights and democracy. They can veto new laws that could force them. That’s why new members have to be great examples of great EU members for more than a few years. They might elect a Trump in 8 years for all we now.
In 2021, the Ukraine was the second most corrupt in Europe
It’s not exactly something the government forces on them. This is as well known in Europe as Italians dodging taxes as a national sport. Ukraine joining EU gives their governments and their people a vote in laws that apply to my country too. Everytime a member joins we give away a little of our sovereignty. That and the permanent nature of membership makes us very picky.Corruption in Ukraine - Wikipedia
There’s above all no fast track to EU membership. President of Lithuania is absurd. If there was a possible peaceful way, for a nation to reform and meet the criteria in just a few years or even less, we would have shared it with the rest of the world and Afghanistan and Iraq would have been very different today. The suggestion it can be done while being invaded is rancid.
Why not at all (for the unforeseeable future)?
For the same reason Canada doesn’t want Florida to become part of Canada. I know, silly. When I said “we’ll still block“ I wasn’t referring to just NL. It’s not uncommon for NL to lead a pack of other members in the west when it comes to unpopular decisions, usually Germany, Denmark and others in west eu. We can handle the shade. To reform in order to meet the criteria and go through many rounds of votes requiring unanimity would have taken a decade+. Then some more for every member‘s national government to approve. After Putin invaded, it’s entirely hypothetical. We will not give Ukraine false hopes over what might happen in a decade or two. We will not be emotionally blackmailed into accepting Ukraine in EU now either. It would not trigger actions we could decide to do now, it would not create a magic shield against the Russians.
We are reluctant to all expansion of the EU, it has already grown out to be an undemocratic overregulating monster. Our presidents are not elected but selected. Articles about the EU becoming a superpower or superstate scares the shit out of people here. That’s not what we want, that’s not what we founded, that’s not what we signed up for. We’re a country, not a state in one, and would like to keep it that way. Ukraine joining the EU would result in more seats for alt right euroskeptic parties across Europe, could literally trigger a Nexit campaign (which would fail but still). Zelensky’s unrealistic request can potentially cause tension and conflict between EU members, mostly between the ones who fund it and those who benefit most. Which potentially further decreases solidarity from the west towards those who refuse to get their shit together. We’re done saving banks and sponsoring covid release packages of corrupt members who vote for incompetent populists.
Yes yes, in the context of the war they and Ukraine are obviously the good guys. In the context of would you allow your teenage children to go there on vacation they are backward racist anti-semetic corrupt shitholes with vax rates half of what they should be. We don’t need anymore of that in the EU.
We’ll continue to support Ukraine in any (other) way we can. We’ll pump billions in an improved version of Ukraine that will hopefull rise from the ashes, we wish them to have everything we enjoy, being invaded changes people (more tolerant I hope) but building a house for a neighbor in need is quite different from attaching it to your house and breaking down the walls that separate them.
when you build a monster, you can't disassociate yourself when it goes on a rampage...
why can't you hold a vote about being able to expel deplorable members? if it's a "democratic" organization, that means the members get to decide it's fate, doesn't it? require a 51% majority, if a country goes to hell, they get at least temporarily suspended for X amount of time, if the issues aren't corrected in that time, expulsion becomes permanent...there is no stone tablet handed to the EU by GOD saying that you can't amend the rules if the majority wishes it...that's kind of what being in a democratic system means.
but there have been more than a few EU scandals over the years, the Santer commission, battiglione almost getting placed as security commissioner, practically no one has ever seen the Galvin report, the Strasser corruption case, ongoing EU budget fraud (Croation farmers getting subsidies for growing sugar cane?...??) recently there was investment fraud in NL and spain, Danske bank and Nordia bank were involved in money laundering in the 20-teens, widespread bank fraud in portugal in 2014-15, that led to many banks closing and millions of investors losing billions of dollars. the cum-ex dividend stripping scandal in Germany, and many other countries....
in short, i understand your concerns, but there seems to be at least some hypocrisy in your attitude and vehemence...
and i'm not trying to be confrontational, just honest...the eu is already a black pot, why not a black kettle?
DIY-HP-LED
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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment March 11, 2022
Russian ground forces attempting to encircle and take Kyiv began another pause to resupply and refit combat units on March 11 after failed attacks March 8-10. Russian forces also appear to be largely stalemated around Kharkiv. Russian advances from Crimea toward Mykolayiv and Zaporizhya and in the east around Donetsk and Luhansk made no progress in the last 24 hours, and Russian forces in the south face growing morale and supply issues. The Ukrainian General Staff asserted Russia has so far failed to take its territorial objectives for the war and will likely increasingly turn to strikes on civilian targets and psychological operations to undermine civilian support for the Ukrainian government.
Uncoordinated and sporadic Russian offensive operations against major Ukrainian cities support the Ukrainian General Staff’s assessment that Russian forces face growing morale and supply issues and have lost the initiative. The Ukrainian General Staff stated on March 11 that Ukrainian forces are “actively defending and conducting successful counterattacks in all directions,” but did not state where reported counterattacks are occurring.
Source: https://www.understandingwar.org
Russian ground forces attempting to encircle and take Kyiv began another pause to resupply and refit combat units on March 11 after failed attacks March 8-10. Russian forces also appear to be largely stalemated around Kharkiv. Russian advances from Crimea toward Mykolayiv and Zaporizhya and in the east around Donetsk and Luhansk made no progress in the last 24 hours, and Russian forces in the south face growing morale and supply issues. The Ukrainian General Staff asserted Russia has so far failed to take its territorial objectives for the war and will likely increasingly turn to strikes on civilian targets and psychological operations to undermine civilian support for the Ukrainian government.
Uncoordinated and sporadic Russian offensive operations against major Ukrainian cities support the Ukrainian General Staff’s assessment that Russian forces face growing morale and supply issues and have lost the initiative. The Ukrainian General Staff stated on March 11 that Ukrainian forces are “actively defending and conducting successful counterattacks in all directions,” but did not state where reported counterattacks are occurring.
Source: https://www.understandingwar.org
DIY-HP-LED
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Mission creep causing issues. When Merkel let a million refugees in from the middle east, she let them into the EU too, ditto for Ukrainians, if any member wants to make them instant citizens. Borders are an issue too, as in boundaries and controlling migration into a states with social welfare systems. This rapidly leads to political trouble as smaller native cultures are perceived as being taken over and overwhelmed by "others".
Roger A. Shrubber
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https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-meta-would-have-cease-work-russia-if-reuters-report-is-true-2022-03-11/
russia says meta is advocating violence against russian citizens? the policy clearly states that the ban is only lifted in relation to the russian army in Ukraine, and it's leaders, who may be in russia, NOT against everyday russian citizens. they have been maintaining that standard, and are not allowing any posts in the nature of "kill all russians"...only posts in the vein of "death to the invaders" are allowed.
if this is upsetting putin so much, maybe he should get the fuck out of the sovereign nation he is attempting to rape and subjugate...
russia says meta is advocating violence against russian citizens? the policy clearly states that the ban is only lifted in relation to the russian army in Ukraine, and it's leaders, who may be in russia, NOT against everyday russian citizens. they have been maintaining that standard, and are not allowing any posts in the nature of "kill all russians"...only posts in the vein of "death to the invaders" are allowed.
if this is upsetting putin so much, maybe he should get the fuck out of the sovereign nation he is attempting to rape and subjugate...
Sativied
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Because there are simply no laws/mechanisms on paper that facilitate such a vote. Even if there were, major issues like that, including introducing such mechanisms, require a decision by unanimity, so they can simply veto. The most we can do is ask them to trigger article 50 (what UK did), as in leave themselves. Democracy doesn't always mean decisions are made by 51%+ majority. As for hypocrisy, I mentioned west eu isn't perfect, not by any means. That's not a good reason to expand with members that are even worse, on the contrary.
DIY-HP-LED
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I saw on a news report about nervous people buying guns in western Ukrainian cities and found if odd with the amount of former soviet small arms flowing into the place. Then I realized that this is a sign of organization, all those arms are being shipped directly to where the Russians are, or where they figured they would be and on their line of advance, or in occupied areas. I doubt arms will be distributed on a large scale in western Ukraine and I figure they might be cutting back on the number of guns in the country, but not other weapons systems and military gear! I'm taking about distributing AK47s and RPGs to the general population and irregulars, you would want to limit that as much as you can. One day you will need to collect them and put them in local armories for organized reservists. They don't want them in the hands of criminals or on the European black market. This IMHO is a sign they are already doing post war planning.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i know this couldn't be done at the moment without it being a bad idea, but...can a non NATO member nation invite and host NATO emplacements and bases? we have military installments and bases over a large part of the world that we have no real binding agreements with, no paper beyond treaties...can NATO not do the same? place a few training bases, say one in Sarny, one in Chernihiv, one in Kharkiv? build a nice NATO airfield just north of Dnipro? maybe an artillery training base in Lubny?
just an idea...maybe a bad one, i don't know (literally...can this be done? what prevents it?)
just an idea...maybe a bad one, i don't know (literally...can this be done? what prevents it?)