GML Accusations..

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Gregshed

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Companies manipulated sphere tests and spectrums to give best figures, companies selected the top bin and spectrums to manipulate tests, companies attacked any one or other companies that pointed this out or got different results on light tests.

Looks like fraud was committed by most companies, that 3.2umol or 2.8umol was more like 2.5umol and then the spectrum even less efficient than a sodium or more closer to monochromatic to boost results.

Most would have to be light manufacturers with spheres and run long tests to out the fraud so the whole market bought in and everyone trashed every light till they became the market.

But that's LEDs, most of the advertising was bad anyway, just spunk up their sites and they make bogus claims on most things and stretch the truth on others. The Emerson effect was ripped off in spectrum etc etc etc.

I have a mars, their site calls sodium monochromatic yellow light.... Bullshit but then we see seeds sold with bogus thc percentages, boosters that do nothing, super soils that are just normal soils. The bullshit goes on, not really big news but shocking how bad growing has become and how we all plug this crap for them.
 
grotbags

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Gregshed said:
Companies manipulated sphere tests and spectrums to give best figures, companies selected the top bin and spectrums to manipulate tests, companies attacked any one or other companies that pointed this out or got different results on light tests.

Looks like fraud was committed by most companies, that 3.2umol or 2.8umol was more like 2.5umol and then the spectrum even less efficient than a sodium or more closer to monochromatic to boost results.

Most would have to be light manufacturers with spheres and run long tests to out the fraud so the whole market bought in and everyone trashed every light till they became the market.

But that's LEDs, most of the advertising was bad anyway, just spunk up their sites and they make bogus claims on most things and stretch the truth on others. The Emerson effect was ripped off in spectrum etc etc etc.

I have a mars, their site calls sodium monochromatic yellow light.... Bullshit but then we see seeds sold with bogus thc percentages, boosters that do nothing, super soils that are just normal soils. The bullshit goes on, not really big news but shocking how bad growing has become and how we all plug this crap for them.
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a lot of what you are saying makes no sense?,

how were companys selecting spectrums to manipulate tests?
how is even 2.5 umol less efficient than a sodium?
what does closer to monochromatic to boost results mean?
what does the emerson effect ripped off in spectrum mean?

sodium light is a lot more monochromatic than led.
 
Scuzzman

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remember that dude the Grow Boss did a interview with GML in the early days, was stated GML is only a sales rep re hashing all the dribble sales reps spin they are told to, classic fan boy in the day .
My concern is how many LED company's are spinning crap regarding there products and miss leading their customers , would be interesting if any company will refute the comments
 
Gregshed

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grotbags said:
a lot of what you are saying makes no sense?,

how were companys selecting spectrums to manipulate tests?
how is even 2.5 umol less efficient than a sodium?
what does closer to monochromatic to boost results mean?
what does the emerson effect ripped off in spectrum mean?

sodium light is a lot more monochromatic than led.
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By either manipulating spheres in house as he said or by choosing diodes that were giving certain spectrums which on a light chart gives higher light output.

Sodium has a fuller spectrum than led it's not as balanced, it gives more colours or bars on a spectrum and LEDs are more hitting a few peaks not a fuller range but you won't see those details in your light graphs they sell them with.

That's the Emerson effect, if I have 420nm, 421nm, 422, nm and every mm in the spectrum the emerson effect is greater. LEDs don't so less effect.

I'm not saying ones better I'm pointing out how you manipulate light and data.
 
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Gregshed

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Boatguy said:
As far as efficiency hps is somewhere around 1.7 umol/j
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I'm not comparing sodiums as better just how led manipulated data and made sodiums a lesser product. Sodiums would be better if they could spread that out more even, it has obvious flaws. I own leds so even I'm bias towards them.
 
Kassiopeija

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Gregshed said:
Looks like fraud was committed by most companies, that 3.2umol or 2.8umol was more like 2.5umol and then the spectrum even less efficient than a sodium or more closer to monochromatic to boost results.

Most would have to be light manufacturers with spheres and run long tests to out the fraud so the whole market bought in and everyone trashed every light till they became the market.

But that's LEDs, most of the advertising was bad anyway, just spunk up their sites and they make bogus claims on most things and stretch the truth on others. The Emerson effect was ripped off in spectrum etc etc etc.
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they look at it from a wrong perspective by just chasing umol with whatever ignorant method they can muster

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grotbags

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Gregshed said:
by choosing diodes that were giving certain spectrums which on a light chart gives higher light output.
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whats wrong with that? manufactures are free to use what ever kelvin diodes they want.
Gregshed said:
Sodium has a fuller spectrum than led it's not as balanced, it gives more colours or bars on a spectrum and LEDs are more hitting a few peaks not a fuller range but you won't see those details in your light graphs they sell them with.
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no it does not.
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That's the Emerson effect, if I have 420nm, 421nm, 422, nm and every mm in the spectrum the emerson effect is greater. LEDs don't so less effect.
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Gregshed

Gregshed

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grotbags said:
whats wrong with that? manufactures are free to use what ever kelvin diodes they want.

no it does not.

jiberish
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Sodiums are a good mix of gasses, cmh even better when looking at line spectral emission chart. Much fuller but led has better balance. I'm not expecting you to know the ins and outs of light to this level of detail. It's why the sun has the best emerson effect being a ball of gas.

Led manufacturers can do what they want, if they fall foul it will get discussed, what we're doing so why the constant argument? Are you GML? Probably.
 
robincnn

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A few points of clarity and honesty for our community…

HLG and GML in 2021
(GML) demanded 10% ownership of HLG, Steve and I were not comfortable with that. At about the same time, we became aware that GML sent samples of HLG lamps to China to have them reverse engineered so that he could develop his own brand. This created a situation where continuing our relationship with GML being our Canadian distributor was no longer possible. We wish the best in his pursuit of developing his own brand.


Is HLG being sold?
The short answer is NO.
Steve and I love what we have built at HLG and we are excited about new products that are currently being developed.
We are one of the last remaining North American manufacturers of LED lamps for horticulture, so we get approached regularly by different types of investors.
There is no way to predict the future, but currently there are no plans to sell any portion of HLG. Steve and I stand committed to continuing to build our brand and pushing LED technology forward for the entire horticulture community.
We invite any of our customers and supporters to visit us at our manufacturing facility in Tennessee at any time. We love to share with everyone what we do and how we do it.


Is 3.2 mmol/joule real?
Yes. Independent tests confirm that HLG lamps have been tested and certified at this efficiency.

That said, there are variables involved in testing (test methods, testing equipment, driver performance. LED tolerances as per manufacturer, etc…), so there will always be some variation in product performance, but independent 3rd party testing is the best way to compare products from different manufacturers.

HLG has never and will never produce a lamp for test purposes only. All lamps sent by HLG for testing and certification are produced 100% with our standard components with our standard processes. Any contrary suggestion is malicious and slanderous.
We will not participate in juvenile mud slinging, but we will defend our brand.

Do any manufacturers use only the highest flux bin LEDs available?
YES! HLG uses only the highest available flux bins on our QB 288 and QB 648 modules.
Even smaller lamps like HLG 100 and HLG 65 are transitioning to highest available flux bins and we do not plan to stock anything other than highest flux bins.


HLG USA Production
100% of these models have been produced by HLG in Tennessee:
HLG 65
HLG 100
HLG 225
HLG 300
HLG 350R
HLG 550
HLG 600
HLG 650R
Scorpion RSpec
Scorpion Diablo


HLG was born here in RIU and we still value your support. :)
Please feel free to let us know if you have questions, concerns or feedback.

Sincerely,
Amit
 
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