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DIY-HP-LED
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Roger A. Shrubber
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harsh penalties for desertion and surrender? how will they enforce any penalties on either one? they won't see those men again till after the russians lose the war
DIY-HP-LED
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Ukraine update: As Russia prepares to force 'referendums' in occupied areas, Putin is a no-show
It’s been hard to locate any reasonable military response for Russia at this point in its failed invasion of Ukraine. Because there isn’t one. So Moscow is now scrambling for the means to justify even more attacks on civilian infrastructure—and...
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Roger A. Shrubber
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if i was putin, i'd suggest a voluntary withdrawal from Crimea, in exchange for the luhansk/donestsk area...draw an arc from Mariupol, through Donetsk and Luhansk. those people apparently don't want to be a part of Ukraine anyway...let the russians have them, and that much land, with the clear understanding that any further encroachment into Ukraine will result in the forfeiture of luhansk and donetsk, and full reinstatement of all sanctions.
If you force those people that actually want to be a part of russia to remain in the Ukrainian population, they will always be a thorn in the side of Ukraine, the source of endless petty problems, and willing cooperation with the russians...
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cannabineer
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I would need to see a current poll performed by a less biased party to believe that there is a significant contingent in either oblast, ethnic Russian or otherwise, who would like to be part of Russia as it is. Their war performance has poor advertising value.
As a separate matter, dignifying fascists with diplomacy has some bad history associated with it. Peace in our time can be mighty overpriced.
DIY-HP-LED
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The golden arches return, perhaps some oil companies can too?
Roger A. Shrubber
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is that phosphorous?...on civilian homes...that IS a fucking crime.
what will it take to put a stop to this fucking stupidity? how many civilians have to be suffocated as they're roasted alive, before we shut him the fuck down?...you all keep telling me we have to be careful, we can't provoke him...while those people die in agony, slowly...the quick death of a nuclear strike would be a mercy compared to that.
DIY-HP-LED
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The war changed many attitudes and killed off a lot of the fanatics, Russia is now an economic basket case will people voting with their feet. Referendums could yield interesting results among Russian speakers in Ukraine. Many of the regime's leaders will flee and so will the traitors and war criminals. Ukraine is a multicultural liberal democracy, that's the policy and Russian speakers aren't repressed, language is important and there is not a big difference between them, politics is more important though.
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I dunno who it was from or where it was taken, I doubt the Ukrainians would use it on their own communities, it was air dropped, so it must have been over the fighting because aircraft that strayed into Ukrainian controlled territory flying that low would be dead meat from manpads.
Roger A. Shrubber
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I said "If I was putin"...Thankfully, I am not.
I personally wouldn't give them a damn thing. Ever. I would kill every russian on Ukrainian soil, and build a wall of their ruined equipment and vehicles along every road that leads in and out of russia, so the new ones coming in can see what they're facing...
although, what i said about russians in the area is still true. i think i would just spread notices in every town in the area, telling them that if they want to speak russian, they are free to relocate to russia within the next 30 days, free to take all their property with them, but they will NOT be coming back. Any who stay are welcome, but they are Ukrainian, not russian. anyone caught conspiring with the russians to foment any trouble will be dealt with most severely
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cannabineer
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I do not trust that the referenda will be honestly run. What’s Russian for “find me 11780 votes!”?
cannabineer
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I would not kill them. In fact, treating them better as POWs than they were treated as infantry would be the greater subversion imo.
DIY-HP-LED
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New referendums will be conducted by the UN if required, after the Russians are ejected. I think the results will be in Ukraine's favor. Conditions in Russia are deteriorating rapidly, and nobody will want to join them in sanctions, they will also stand a better chance of rebuilding and foreign aid, while pending EU membership guarantees their rights.
DIY-HP-LED
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You drive them with a whip and tame them with kindness...
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Ukrainian military confirms attacks on Russian positions in Luhansk
From Olga Voitovych and CNN's Tim Lister
The Ukrainian military says it is striking areas of Luhansk region where Russian forces are redeploying after their recent retreat from neighboring Kharkiv.
Commenting on two recent strikes, the military's General Staff said it had confirmed Russian losses in a strike on the town of Novoaidar in Luhansk, claiming "about 50 units of military equipment were destroyed and damaged, and ammunition was destroyed."
"In addition, near the settlement of Svatove, units of the Defense Forces hit the area where the enemy's manpower was concentrated. It is known that 70% of the personnel who were at the specified facility died."
The General Staff also claimed that Russian manpower issues were a growing problem.
It said that "previously issued documents postponing the mobilization for about 500 employees of the Yenakiieve Metallurgical Plant have been cancelled. In addition, a ban was introduced on the departure of men from the territory of the temporarily occupied Crimea without the permission of the military commissariats."
CNN is unable to verify the claims.
The General Staff also said that Russian forces were trying to reorganize after recent losses. It claimed that new battalions were being formed by Russia's 29th Combined Arms Army in the Eastern Military District (Siberia), using teachers from the district's Military Command School.
On the battlefield, the General Staff confirmed fresh shelling by Russian forces in Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia.
Ukrainian military confirms attacks on Russian positions in Luhansk
From Olga Voitovych and CNN's Tim Lister
The Ukrainian military says it is striking areas of Luhansk region where Russian forces are redeploying after their recent retreat from neighboring Kharkiv.
Commenting on two recent strikes, the military's General Staff said it had confirmed Russian losses in a strike on the town of Novoaidar in Luhansk, claiming "about 50 units of military equipment were destroyed and damaged, and ammunition was destroyed."
"In addition, near the settlement of Svatove, units of the Defense Forces hit the area where the enemy's manpower was concentrated. It is known that 70% of the personnel who were at the specified facility died."
The General Staff also claimed that Russian manpower issues were a growing problem.
It said that "previously issued documents postponing the mobilization for about 500 employees of the Yenakiieve Metallurgical Plant have been cancelled. In addition, a ban was introduced on the departure of men from the territory of the temporarily occupied Crimea without the permission of the military commissariats."
CNN is unable to verify the claims.
The General Staff also said that Russian forces were trying to reorganize after recent losses. It claimed that new battalions were being formed by Russia's 29th Combined Arms Army in the Eastern Military District (Siberia), using teachers from the district's Military Command School.
On the battlefield, the General Staff confirmed fresh shelling by Russian forces in Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia.