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Bagginski

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Roger A. Shrubber

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Then (to my eyes) your thesis that began this exchange is undone. The people are not a collective, so collective responsibility fragments along the boundaries of the individual.
i never meant to imply that people were a collective, or acted as one...which is to their detriment, at least in this situation.
rights come with responsibilities. they always have, no matter how conveniently people forget about those responsibilities.
you have a right to vote, which should have never been a right, it should have been a conditional privilege, that hinges upon your having at least a faint clue why you're voting for the person you're voting for...which is the responsibility that the right to vote comes coupled to, we just ignore it because we wouldn't want to disenfranchise the fucking stupid.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
i never meant to imply that people were a collective, or acted as one...which is to their detriment, at least in this situation.
rights come with responsibilities. they always have, no matter how conveniently people forget about those responsibilities.
you have a right to vote, which should have never been a right, it should have been a conditional privilege, that hinges upon your having at least a faint clue why you're voting for the person you're voting for...which is the responsibility that the right to vote comes coupled to, we just ignore it because we wouldn't want to disenfranchise the fucking stupid.
If there were a way to selectively disenfranchise the stupid, I’d be interested.
 

schuylaar

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My question again, why have we not heard of what would be a major win for Ukraine?
Another billion from America?

I think we're in it for $16B currently. I understand they need resources and know we have to help them pull the weight; it's taxing me though and I'm kind of tired..what's the Balance Sheet for all countries helping?
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i'm not feeling very charitable to the russians recently...i'm trying to feel sympathetic, but i'm having trouble. all the people shitting on themselves to get out of fighting now didn't seem quite so upset when it was ethnic russians getting killed, and not them. maybe if they would have staged a few protests back then, i might be able to muster more than a token sad face emoji
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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If there were a way to selectively disenfranchise the stupid, I’d be interested.
everything i've suggested has been shot down, due to the inherent tendencies of people to rise to the level of corruption possible to them...
my basic suggestion was a competency test, to determine if the potential voter had the faintest fucking idea what they were about to vote for, or if they were voting because their favorite talking head on tv or the net told them to vote for this person...
which was shot down due to the potential for those administering the test to skew the results in which ever way they wanted...we can insure the integrity of elections, but not the integrity of a simple test, apparently? if we can't trust election officials to administer a simple examination, without bias, how can we trust them to administer the actual election?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
everything i've suggested has been shot down, due to the inherent tendencies of people to rise to the level of corruption possible to them...
my basic suggestion was a competency test, to determine if the potential voter had the faintest fucking idea what they were about to vote for, or if they were voting because their favorite talking head on tv or the net told them to vote for this person...
which was shot down due to the potential for those administering the test to skew the results in which ever way they wanted...we can insure the integrity of elections, but not the integrity of a simple test, apparently? if we can't trust election officials to administer a simple examination, without bias, how can we trust them to administer the actual election?
Because an election is much simpler than the sort of thing you propose. You end up with a hopeless tangle of who watches the watchmen?

Your suggestions were shot down because they are corruptible. There would be no test that was truly simple. And in this country, unbiased against the disenfranchised. Imagine such a test in the slaveholder Bible belt. Going before this Scotus. Think it through please.

So we suffer the fools.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Because an election is much simpler than the sort of thing you propose. You end up with a hopeless tangle of who watches the watchmen?

Your suggestions were shot down because they are corruptible. There would be no test that was truly simple. And in this country, unbiased against the disenfranchised. Imagine such a test in the slaveholder Bible belt. Going before this Scotus. Think it through please.

So we suffer the fools.
exactly...we suffer the fools, and the fools the fools vote for...and the fools those fools appoint...
 

printer

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Almost as quick as confirming a MAGA SC judge.
Deadlines for consideration of laws on annexation of Donbass and regions of Ukraine announced
The State Duma has announced the deadlines for considering laws on the entry of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR), as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions into Russia . This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the lower house of the Russian parliament.

According to the interlocutor of the agency, bills on the entry of these territories into the Russian Federation can be submitted to the State Duma on the evening of September 28. He added that their consideration could take place at an extraordinary meeting of the House of Parliament on September 29.

On September 23, referendums began in the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions on the issue of joining Russia as subjects. Voting will last until September 27 inclusive.

Actually a good idea. If half the people watching the Russian citizens up and leave for Ukraine the home population will never have a better chance of throwing off their shackles.
Kadyrov proposed to mobilize half of the employees of law enforcement agencies
The head of Chechnya , Ramzan Kadyrov , proposed mobilizing half of the employees of law enforcement agencies, the total number of which is about 5 million people, to participate in a special military operation. He wrote about this in Telegram .

“Even if we exclude reservists from the equation, we still have a colossal staff of employees who, one way or another, have good physical training and weapons skills: the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the FSPP, the FSB , the FSO, the SVR , the UFSIN , the FTS, the Prosecutor’s Office, the UK,” Kadyrov added.

According to him, if you leave half of the staff in office, the other half in the amount of 2.5 million people "will demolish any Western army." The heads of these departments could now begin to optimize the work process, taking into account innovations, the head of the republic concluded.

Earlier, Kadyrov commented on the actions of the Russians who are leaving the country due to the announced mobilization. According to the head of Chechnya, dodgers standing in line at the airport are a pitiful sight.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Almost as quick as confirming a MAGA SC judge.
Deadlines for consideration of laws on annexation of Donbass and regions of Ukraine announced
The State Duma has announced the deadlines for considering laws on the entry of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR), as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions into Russia . This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the lower house of the Russian parliament.

According to the interlocutor of the agency, bills on the entry of these territories into the Russian Federation can be submitted to the State Duma on the evening of September 28. He added that their consideration could take place at an extraordinary meeting of the House of Parliament on September 29.

On September 23, referendums began in the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions on the issue of joining Russia as subjects. Voting will last until September 27 inclusive.

Actually a good idea. If half the people watching the Russian citizens up and leave for Ukraine the home population will never have a better chance of throwing off their shackles.
Kadyrov proposed to mobilize half of the employees of law enforcement agencies
The head of Chechnya , Ramzan Kadyrov , proposed mobilizing half of the employees of law enforcement agencies, the total number of which is about 5 million people, to participate in a special military operation. He wrote about this in Telegram .

“Even if we exclude reservists from the equation, we still have a colossal staff of employees who, one way or another, have good physical training and weapons skills: the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the FSPP, the FSB , the FSO, the SVR , the UFSIN , the FTS, the Prosecutor’s Office, the UK,” Kadyrov added.

According to him, if you leave half of the staff in office, the other half in the amount of 2.5 million people "will demolish any Western army." The heads of these departments could now begin to optimize the work process, taking into account innovations, the head of the republic concluded.

Earlier, Kadyrov commented on the actions of the Russians who are leaving the country due to the announced mobilization. According to the head of Chechnya, dodgers standing in line at the airport are a pitiful sight.
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