War

Roger A. Shrubber

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I never advocated any of those things, just spelling out the realities of the situation. If China attacked Taiwan and there was war the chip making facilities would be destroyed and some of the workers would relocate to other places where chip fabs are being built now. The reality is we are building chip fabs in American and the EU in anticipation of trouble and moving China out of the supply chains for strategic things, that is policy.

As far as the UN goes China does not have a say in the fate of Taiwan, the people do, just like in Ukraine. If China does invade Taiwan they will feed a lot of fishes by Taiwanese efforts alone destroying most of them at their points of embarkation. The war would end up like Russia's war with Ukraine and have a lot of unintended domestic consequences. They got a taste of what could happen with covid protests and war would mean mass unemployment, they are a government with no real legitimacy and they know it.
i don't think this war would be anything like the Ukraine war...i highly doubt China is in the same state of decay that corruption put the russians in.
they may not have the very best equipment, but what they have isn't ww2 era leftovers they have to clean the rust off of to even recognize.
https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/taiwan/china
Taiwan has state of the art defenses, but they have a huge coastline to defend, and any landing on any part of it then negates those coastal defenses in that area.
China's navy isn't a joke.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/11/05/yes-china-has-more-warships-than-the-usa-thats-because-chinese-ships-are-small/?sh=2dffbb5f611d
China can and would take Taiwan, is a day or two, if they decided they wanted it enough. the conversation so far didn't even call in China's coastal missile batteries, or their airforce...
Ukraine pulled the biggest motherfucking rabbit in history out of their ass, and the russians are the ones that were responsible for it, through incredible gross incompetence. don't expect China to hand Taiwan the same kind of gift.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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i don't think this war would be anything like the Ukraine war...i highly doubt China is in the same state of decay that corruption put the russians in.
they may not have the very best equipment, but what they have isn't ww2 era leftovers they have to clean the rust off of to even recognize.
https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/taiwan/china
Taiwan has state of the art defenses, but they have a huge coastline to defend, and any landing on any part of it then negates those coastal defenses in that area.
China's navy isn't a joke.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/11/05/yes-china-has-more-warships-than-the-usa-thats-because-chinese-ships-are-small/?sh=2dffbb5f611d
China can and would take Taiwan, is a day or two, if they decided they wanted it enough. the conversation so far didn't even call in China's coastal missile batteries, or their airforce...
Ukraine pulled the biggest motherfucking rabbit in history out of their ass, and the russians are the ones that were responsible for it, through incredible gross incompetence. don't expect China to hand Taiwan the same kind of gift.
They have a considerable body of water to cross and as I said, Taiwan would be far from alone, right off the bat, aid would not just pour in, boots on the ground and ships in the water will too, along with planes in the air who will settle things along with missiles and missile defense. It would also probably mean war in Korea as the South rolled over the north nukes or not and met the Chinese head on. Before any attack happens, month's if not years of planning and preparation would be required and the sanctions would begin before the fighting.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The Russian economy is collapsing: when to expect a breakdown

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By the end of the year, the Russian ruble depreciated again against the dollar and the euro. Anti-Russian sanctions and an oil embargo have led to the fact that the ruble continues its "unbridled fall", writes Reuters. Experts suggest that this is not the limit and inflation will continue. After all, the Kremlin spends billions on the war against Ukraine, and the democratic world introduces more and more restrictions against the aggressor country. Details - in our story.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Maybe the CIA should slip a massive dose of LSD into his next shipment! You can't legally kill him, but the law says nothing about melting down his brain with acid! :lol: Have him dragged from the Kremlin drooling and raving in straight jacket and then off to a mental hospital in Siberia.

 

injinji

Well-Known Member
Maybe the CIA should slip a massive dose of LSD into his next shipment! You can't legally kill him, but the law says nothing about melting down his brain with acid! :lol: Have him dragged from the Kremlin drooling and raving in straight jacket and then off to a mental hospital in Siberia.

It's a shame they don't have hurricanes in eurasia. My wife's old boss was special forces. He never would tell me any of the things they did, but he did say there are no homicides during hurricanes. (he did most of his work in latin america)
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Maybe the CIA should slip a massive dose of LSD into his next shipment! You can't legally kill him, but the law says nothing about melting down his brain with acid! :lol: Have him dragged from the Kremlin drooling and raving in straight jacket and then off to a mental hospital in Siberia.

We’ve had this talk. It is a barbaric proposal.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The barbarity of the other does not permit or justify my being barbaric.
Not everybody has the same ethical or moral standards and the Ukrainians or others would have no hesitation. Besides after a week or two Vlad would be fine, except for the flashbacks and trying to get himself sprung from the nuthouse...
 

abandonconflict

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i don't think this war would be anything like the Ukraine war...i highly doubt China is in the same state of decay that corruption put the russians in.
they may not have the very best equipment, but what they have isn't ww2 era leftovers they have to clean the rust off of to even recognize.
https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/taiwan/china
Taiwan has state of the art defenses, but they have a huge coastline to defend, and any landing on any part of it then negates those coastal defenses in that area.
China's navy isn't a joke.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/11/05/yes-china-has-more-warships-than-the-usa-thats-because-chinese-ships-are-small/?sh=2dffbb5f611d
China can and would take Taiwan, is a day or two, if they decided they wanted it enough. the conversation so far didn't even call in China's coastal missile batteries, or their airforce...
Ukraine pulled the biggest motherfucking rabbit in history out of their ass, and the russians are the ones that were responsible for it, through incredible gross incompetence. don't expect China to hand Taiwan the same kind of gift.
This is a poor analysis and even worse as a comparison with Russia's "Special Military Operation". China has flown ever greater training sorties near Taiwan's airspace and naval exercizes, basically pounding their chest just in the hopes that the US will take them seriously. If there is one thing the People's Subjugation Army (who have they ever liberated?) would like to have the world consider is that they are a real military that should be taken seriously.

Imagine having one of the biggest military forces in the world and struggling to be taken seriously.

They lack viable anti-sub warfare.
The J-20 (of which there are less than 2 dozen) are easily detectable.
Their single operational carrier is less capable than any of Japan's "helicopter carriers".
Their subs make more noise with the engines off than US subs make at full speed.
Their missiles can not damage surface fleets, even near their shores, unless nuclear armed.

I could go on listing such bullet points but the fact of the matter is that if Xi wants Taiwan, he had better study the Normandy landings and reconsider what he can do with the 3 amphibs at his disposal. Red China has been threatening to conquer Formosa since long before Mao's son was killed in Korea while stealing from the mess hall. Theyyhave not taken the island for one reason only. They cannot.

You just have to understand the passive aggressive approach to conquest they have always epitomized. They want to "win without fighting" because they cannot win by actually fighting. They are terrible at fighting. The only advantage they could have in a fight is their complete lack of regard for human life and rights. In the many centuries of their history this has never changed the reality that it is repleat with military defeat. They have literally been losing wars, nigh invariably, for centuries, in their own turf. The only real exception was Tibet.

They make advances right up to the point that their adversaries realize that they are at war and decide to defend themselves. The wolf-wankers continue to this very day. As soon as open combat is met, Sun Tzu should be disregarded. China can only win as long as there is no war.

War is not art.
 

abandonconflict

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On the other hand, Russia shares a land border with Ukraine and is the successor of the government that actually included Ukraine. The Chinese Commy party has never ruled Formosa, nor has there ever been a Lapse in the sovereignty of the RoC, which predates the CCP. The Ukraine's entire arsenal and the entirety of their military materiel was of Soviet origin and known to the Kremlin at the start of their "Special Military Operation".

Russia was known to have the second most capable military in the world at the beginning of 2022 and within months it became apparent that they had the second best military in the Ukraine. It wasn't just the MANPADS and Javelins delivered to Ukrainian defenders that forestalled the Russian orc onslought. It was the unbridled eleutherianist fervor of young Ukrainians who did not share Putin's Neo-Czarist pining for the glory days of soviet tyranny.

So if there is any comparison between the war in the Ukraine and a hypothetical Communist invasion of Formosa, it would be of the defenders primarily but unlike the analysis of the above commenter, the beligerent reds would be just as inept in either case. Outside assistance would be at least as helpful and unanymous as well.

No, the very reason why Xi ended his lockdowns is so that he can have an excuse to fail in the sacred charge of forced unification, to save face.
 

CCGNZ

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You forgot to mention that most of these boats are coast guard boats. China has yet to develop the logistics for a long range war.
They are launching fast replenishment ships man,and the equivalent of the French navy means China is commissioning 2 destroyers,3-5 frigates,1 aircraft carrier, 1-2 SSN's,and 1 SSBN, and amphibious assault and landing ships yearly in addition to those patrol boats you mentioned. Sadly enough the USA has commissioned 2 classes of LCS ships that were to take on the role of a frigate for the blue water role in addition to littoral work and have been pretty much a epic fail, basically they should be given to the Coast Guard and the Navy can start picking up the pieces of a waisted decade and a half.PS I'm a patriotic American and don't enjoy giving any props to the PLA navy,it's just the sad facts.
 
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