cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I think their usable air assets are few. Many air force units were 75% ready on paper and actually had one or two operable aircraft for visit-from-Moscow day.
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Fogdog
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Vietnam? Tanks were no better of a solution there than air power.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
They tried air power, and it cost them. In terms of boots on the ground, we fed the kids in (for several reasons, all bad) at just enough of a rate to get them chewed up, if not physically than psychically. And all without making a real dent in the foreordained outcome.
Odd that since then we’ve chosen our big fights on open terrain.
printer
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Well, why do you think we allow you here?
printer
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Ukraine-Russia news – live: Germany ‘agrees to send tanks’ to help fight Putin’s forces
Germany has reportedly bowed to international pressure and agreed to send tanks to Ukraine to bolster the war effort against Vladimir Putin.
Berlin is expected to send Leopard 2 tanks to help fight Putin’s forces following a plea from Volodymyr Zelensky.
While there has been no official confirmation from Berlin yet, officials in Kyiv swiftly hailed what they said was a potential gamechanger on the battlefield.
“A few hundred tanks for our tank crews - the best tank crews in the world,” Andriy Yermak, the head of Ukrainian President Zelensky’s administration, wrote on Telegram. This is what is going to become a real punching fist of democracy against the autocracy from the bog,”
Kyiv has pleaded for months for Western tanks that it says it desperately needs to give its forces the firepower and mobility to break through Russian defensive lines and recapture occupied territory in the east and south.
It comes as the family of one of two British volunteers missing in Ukraine confirmed they have been killed.
Key Points
11:45 , Matt Mathers
Front lines in the war have been largely frozen in place for two months despite heavy losses on both sides.
Western countries pledged billions of dollars in military aid last week, but have yet to respond to Kyiv’s request for hundreds of heavy battle tanks, which it says it needs to break through Russian lines and recover occupied territory.
Most defence experts say the most suitable tanks available in sufficient numbers are German-made Leopards. But Berlin has so far held back from sending them, or from committing to let allies such as Poland send them.
Germany was not blocking the re-export of Leopard tanks to Ukraine, the European Union’s top diplomat said on Monday.
Ukraine and Russia are both widely believed to be planning spring offensives to break the deadlock in what has become a war of attrition in eastern and southern Ukraine.
"If the major Russian offensive planned for this time fails, it will be the ruin of Russia and Putin," Vadym Skibitsky, deputy head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, said in an interview with news site Delfi.
US could announce Abrams tanks for Ukraine, officials claim
19:34 , Andy Gregory
The United States could be poised to announce a decision to send Abrams tanks to Ukraine, sources have suggested to multiple outlets.
Such a decision by Joe Biden’s administration chime with similar unverified claims coming out of Germany this evening – and anonymous officials have suggested that a simultaneous announcement could be made this week.
It was suggested last week, after a summit failed to break the deadlock on whether Germany would permit allies to re-export Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, that it could do so were Washington to ease its own reluctance to sending Abrams tanks.
Officials in Washington suggested that details there are still being worked out, with one reported as saying that Abrams tanks could be bought under its upcoming $850m Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative package – which also includes a Patriot missile defence system.
Germany ‘to send company of tanks to Ukraine’ after pressure from allies
18:46 , Andy Gregory
Germany has decided to send a convoy of its main battle tanks to Ukraine, reports suggest, after days of pressure from Berlin’s allies.
Ukraine and many of Berlin’s Nato partners have been pleading for a decision on whether Germany would permit them to send German-made Leopard 2 tanks to help Kyiv as the battlefield begins to thaw.
Der Spiegel reported on Tuesday evening that chancellor Olaf Scholz had finally decided to allow allies such as Poland to do so – and that Berlin would also send tanks of its own.
ca.yahoo.com
Germany has reportedly bowed to international pressure and agreed to send tanks to Ukraine to bolster the war effort against Vladimir Putin.
Berlin is expected to send Leopard 2 tanks to help fight Putin’s forces following a plea from Volodymyr Zelensky.
While there has been no official confirmation from Berlin yet, officials in Kyiv swiftly hailed what they said was a potential gamechanger on the battlefield.
“A few hundred tanks for our tank crews - the best tank crews in the world,” Andriy Yermak, the head of Ukrainian President Zelensky’s administration, wrote on Telegram. This is what is going to become a real punching fist of democracy against the autocracy from the bog,”
Kyiv has pleaded for months for Western tanks that it says it desperately needs to give its forces the firepower and mobility to break through Russian defensive lines and recapture occupied territory in the east and south.
It comes as the family of one of two British volunteers missing in Ukraine confirmed they have been killed.
Key Points
- Putin ‘could face ruin’ if spring offensive fails
- Several Ukraine officials resign posts after Zelensky orders corruption clamp down
- Ukraine pledges sweeping personnel changes amid corruption claims
- Ukraine sanctions 22 associated with Russian Orthodox Church
- Boris Johnson trip to Ukraine paid for by taxpayers, confirms No 10
11:45 , Matt Mathers
Front lines in the war have been largely frozen in place for two months despite heavy losses on both sides.
Western countries pledged billions of dollars in military aid last week, but have yet to respond to Kyiv’s request for hundreds of heavy battle tanks, which it says it needs to break through Russian lines and recover occupied territory.
Most defence experts say the most suitable tanks available in sufficient numbers are German-made Leopards. But Berlin has so far held back from sending them, or from committing to let allies such as Poland send them.
Germany was not blocking the re-export of Leopard tanks to Ukraine, the European Union’s top diplomat said on Monday.
Ukraine and Russia are both widely believed to be planning spring offensives to break the deadlock in what has become a war of attrition in eastern and southern Ukraine.
"If the major Russian offensive planned for this time fails, it will be the ruin of Russia and Putin," Vadym Skibitsky, deputy head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, said in an interview with news site Delfi.
US could announce Abrams tanks for Ukraine, officials claim
19:34 , Andy Gregory
The United States could be poised to announce a decision to send Abrams tanks to Ukraine, sources have suggested to multiple outlets.
Such a decision by Joe Biden’s administration chime with similar unverified claims coming out of Germany this evening – and anonymous officials have suggested that a simultaneous announcement could be made this week.
It was suggested last week, after a summit failed to break the deadlock on whether Germany would permit allies to re-export Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, that it could do so were Washington to ease its own reluctance to sending Abrams tanks.
Officials in Washington suggested that details there are still being worked out, with one reported as saying that Abrams tanks could be bought under its upcoming $850m Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative package – which also includes a Patriot missile defence system.
Germany ‘to send company of tanks to Ukraine’ after pressure from allies
18:46 , Andy Gregory
Germany has decided to send a convoy of its main battle tanks to Ukraine, reports suggest, after days of pressure from Berlin’s allies.
Ukraine and many of Berlin’s Nato partners have been pleading for a decision on whether Germany would permit them to send German-made Leopard 2 tanks to help Kyiv as the battlefield begins to thaw.
Der Spiegel reported on Tuesday evening that chancellor Olaf Scholz had finally decided to allow allies such as Poland to do so – and that Berlin would also send tanks of its own.
Ukraine-Russia news – live: Germany ‘agrees to send tanks’ to help fight Putin’s forces
Germany will send Leopard 2 tanks and allow other countries such as Poland to do the same, while the United States may supply Abrams tanks, reports say
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
looked it up - a German tank company is 14 of them.Ukraine-Russia news – live: Germany ‘agrees to send tanks’ to help fight Putin’s forces
Germany has reportedly bowed to international pressure and agreed to send tanks to Ukraine to bolster the war effort against Vladimir Putin.
Berlin is expected to send Leopard 2 tanks to help fight Putin’s forces following a plea from Volodymyr Zelensky.
While there has been no official confirmation from Berlin yet, officials in Kyiv swiftly hailed what they said was a potential gamechanger on the battlefield.
“A few hundred tanks for our tank crews - the best tank crews in the world,” Andriy Yermak, the head of Ukrainian President Zelensky’s administration, wrote on Telegram. This is what is going to become a real punching fist of democracy against the autocracy from the bog,”
Kyiv has pleaded for months for Western tanks that it says it desperately needs to give its forces the firepower and mobility to break through Russian defensive lines and recapture occupied territory in the east and south.
It comes as the family of one of two British volunteers missing in Ukraine confirmed they have been killed.
Key Points
Spring could be decisive in war
- Putin ‘could face ruin’ if spring offensive fails
- Several Ukraine officials resign posts after Zelensky orders corruption clamp down
- Ukraine pledges sweeping personnel changes amid corruption claims
- Ukraine sanctions 22 associated with Russian Orthodox Church
- Boris Johnson trip to Ukraine paid for by taxpayers, confirms No 10
11:45 , Matt Mathers
Front lines in the war have been largely frozen in place for two months despite heavy losses on both sides.
Western countries pledged billions of dollars in military aid last week, but have yet to respond to Kyiv’s request for hundreds of heavy battle tanks, which it says it needs to break through Russian lines and recover occupied territory.
Most defence experts say the most suitable tanks available in sufficient numbers are German-made Leopards. But Berlin has so far held back from sending them, or from committing to let allies such as Poland send them.
Germany was not blocking the re-export of Leopard tanks to Ukraine, the European Union’s top diplomat said on Monday.
Ukraine and Russia are both widely believed to be planning spring offensives to break the deadlock in what has become a war of attrition in eastern and southern Ukraine.
"If the major Russian offensive planned for this time fails, it will be the ruin of Russia and Putin," Vadym Skibitsky, deputy head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, said in an interview with news site Delfi.
US could announce Abrams tanks for Ukraine, officials claim
19:34 , Andy Gregory
The United States could be poised to announce a decision to send Abrams tanks to Ukraine, sources have suggested to multiple outlets.
Such a decision by Joe Biden’s administration chime with similar unverified claims coming out of Germany this evening – and anonymous officials have suggested that a simultaneous announcement could be made this week.
It was suggested last week, after a summit failed to break the deadlock on whether Germany would permit allies to re-export Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, that it could do so were Washington to ease its own reluctance to sending Abrams tanks.
Officials in Washington suggested that details there are still being worked out, with one reported as saying that Abrams tanks could be bought under its upcoming $850m Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative package – which also includes a Patriot missile defence system.
Germany ‘to send company of tanks to Ukraine’ after pressure from allies
18:46 , Andy Gregory
Germany has decided to send a convoy of its main battle tanks to Ukraine, reports suggest, after days of pressure from Berlin’s allies.
Ukraine and many of Berlin’s Nato partners have been pleading for a decision on whether Germany would permit them to send German-made Leopard 2 tanks to help Kyiv as the battlefield begins to thaw.
Der Spiegel reported on Tuesday evening that chancellor Olaf Scholz had finally decided to allow allies such as Poland to do so – and that Berlin would also send tanks of its own.
Ukraine-Russia news – live: Germany ‘agrees to send tanks’ to help fight Putin’s forces
Germany will send Leopard 2 tanks and allow other countries such as Poland to do the same, while the United States may supply Abrams tanks, reports say
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
We were not fighting a conventional war in Vietnam. There weren't two armies. The US army and their South Vietnamese allies won every battle but we lost the war because the people of Vietnam saw us and the South Vietnamese dictatorship as the worst of two choices. The people of South Vietnam didn't like either side, they just saw occupation by a foreign power as something they could not support. They didn't support the North Vietnamese side either but they didn't resist them. In the end, the decision to leave was made by the people of the US.
“You can kill ten of my men for every one I kill of yours. But even at those odds, you will lose and I will win.” —Viet Minh leader Ho Chi Minh in a warning to French colonialists in 1946.
Tanks were never going to win the hearts and minds of the people of Vietnam.
It was Reagan who best defined the only course of action that would win that war:
“It’s silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home for Christmas.” —Ronald Reagan, October 10, 1965, interview with the Fresno Bee during his California gubernatorial campaign.
So, the people of the US made the right choice. Genocide was not the right one.
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printer
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Russia Behind Bars: Wagner Group’s losses 80 percent of 50K inmate-recruits
Out of the 50,000 conscripts recruited by the Wagner Group among the convicts kept in Russian prisons, 40,000 are either dead or missing, and only 10,000 are still fighting in Ukraine, says Olga Romanova, the head of Russia Behind Bars, a charity advocating prisoners’ rights.
In a video published by the YouTube channel My Russian Rights, Romanova says:
Our data shows that, as of late December, 42,000–43,000 inmates had been recruited. By now, this is probably upwards of 50,000. Out of that number, 10,000 are now fighting at the front, because the rest have either been killed or wounded, or went AWOL, or deserted, or surrendered.
Romanova claims that desertion has been a massive problem for the Wagner Group since last fall. Some of the deserters return to Russia, fully armed with weapons from the frontline. Last December, for example, an armed Wagner deserter opened fire on local police officers in Rostov.
Romanova thinks that the Wagner Group founder Evgeny Prigozhin doesn’t keep tabs on soldiers who go MIA for different reasons, writing them off indiscriminately as dead. This may be why he’s been caught sending empty zinc caskets to the families of the “war dead” back in Russia.
meduza.io
Out of the 50,000 conscripts recruited by the Wagner Group among the convicts kept in Russian prisons, 40,000 are either dead or missing, and only 10,000 are still fighting in Ukraine, says Olga Romanova, the head of Russia Behind Bars, a charity advocating prisoners’ rights.
In a video published by the YouTube channel My Russian Rights, Romanova says:
Our data shows that, as of late December, 42,000–43,000 inmates had been recruited. By now, this is probably upwards of 50,000. Out of that number, 10,000 are now fighting at the front, because the rest have either been killed or wounded, or went AWOL, or deserted, or surrendered.
Romanova claims that desertion has been a massive problem for the Wagner Group since last fall. Some of the deserters return to Russia, fully armed with weapons from the frontline. Last December, for example, an armed Wagner deserter opened fire on local police officers in Rostov.
Romanova thinks that the Wagner Group founder Evgeny Prigozhin doesn’t keep tabs on soldiers who go MIA for different reasons, writing them off indiscriminately as dead. This may be why he’s been caught sending empty zinc caskets to the families of the “war dead” back in Russia.
Russia Behind Bars: Wagner Group’s losses 80 percent of 50K inmate-recruits — Meduza
Out of the 50,000 conscripts recruited by the Wagner Group among the convicts kept in Russian prisons, 40,000 are either dead or missing, and only 10,000 are still fighting in Ukraine, says Olga Romanova, the head of Russia Behind Bars, a charity advocating prisoners’ rights.
Roger A. Shrubber
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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/putin-favorite-neighbor-whips-big-195056338.html
Looks like lukashenko is about to step in deep shit. I wonder how long it will take for belarus to be under the same sanctions that russia is under?
Looks like lukashenko is about to step in deep shit. I wonder how long it will take for belarus to be under the same sanctions that russia is under?
BudmanTX
Well-Known Member
not very long if he does, they will be slapped on him extremely quick imo.......
according to what i'm seeing, he's playing both sides of the coin.....helping pooty, while staying out of it
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
because we're all suffering from brain damage?Well, why do you think we allow you here?
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
Kremlin Admits ‘Putin’s Chef’ Might Be Assassinated Soon
The Kremlin claims Ukraine could be plotting to take out Yevgeny Prigozhin. But could Putin and co. be laying the groundwork for something themselves?
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
i can see that he doesn't have a lot of choice at the moment, but he could ask NATO for assistance, he could ask Ukraine for assistance. i would be very surprised if Zelensky wouldn't welcome an ally right next door, especially one that could help defend Kyiv, instead of acting as a launch pad for more russian atrocities.
BudmanTX
Well-Known Member
No he doesn', Lushy from what i've read is walking a razors edge right now. He's got option, like any authoriatiarian he wants to keep in power...so what does he do.....sign the non-aggression agreement with UA, or let Pooty use him again and invade (if he does this he will lose half of his man power bout as quick as you can snap your fingers)
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
He could ask Poland too and Ukraine, but a new government would be the best one's to ask for assistance. If Russia takes over Belarus, the resistance won't take long and neither will the atrocities against the population. Elements in the Belarus army are probably in contact with the Ukrainians, incase they are forced to attack with the Russians at their backs, like Wagner prisoners.
Both Poland and Ukraine want Belarus removed as a threat and if it falls, it will put enemies right at the doorstep of the European Russian heartland. It can put missiles or drones a couple of hundred miles from Moscow and Vlad could have a warhead fly through his bedroom window anytime someone wants to snuff him. It will also put free Russian language radio and TV directed broadcasts in range of many major Russian cities. Russians will live like shit for the next decade at least, while watching the good life in Europe on TV and the internet pass them by.
BudmanTX
Well-Known Member
if russia takes over belarus......i think that might have already happened...sorry to say
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
Good, once burned twice shy and in this case Russia is gonna get a roasting! It will get much worse for them if they do something stupid like use chemicals or nukes. There is only one option for them now, leave Ukraine while there is still something left to pull out, or be driven out in humiliation, with a broken army that has been all used up.
Ukraine has plenty of cheap $10,000 dollar Chinese drones and they could do to Moscow what was done in Ukraine with Iranian drones. Iranian drones should cost a lot more than Chinese ones, since they have added expenses in avoiding sanctions on many components. The cheap Chinese ones can be easily upgraded with better electronics and shielding, making them even more effective. So a swarm of a hundred of them circling the Kremlin like buzzards would get Vlad's attention.
www.themoscowtimes.com
Ukraine has plenty of cheap $10,000 dollar Chinese drones and they could do to Moscow what was done in Ukraine with Iranian drones. Iranian drones should cost a lot more than Chinese ones, since they have added expenses in avoiding sanctions on many components. The cheap Chinese ones can be easily upgraded with better electronics and shielding, making them even more effective. So a swarm of a hundred of them circling the Kremlin like buzzards would get Vlad's attention.
Fear and Frustration in Moscow as Air Defense Systems Deployed - The Moscow Times
The installation of air defense systems in the center of the Russian capital in recent weeks has been met with fear and anger by locals — as well as some indifference — as concerns appear to grow over Ukraine’s military ability to strike deep within Russian territory. “Some people are...
injinji
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It's all about sharing the risk. It will be rough for Ukraine to use the Abrams on thunder runs, but if it helps clear the red tape holding up the Leopards it will be worth it. Anyway, we will be sending them mothballed tanks.