Grandpapy
Well-Known Member
This is why 'Religion" has no place in Ballons or govt.
$300 abortion vs $30000 per mo. prison cell and the cost to society as a whole to get to that place.
It's all connected.
Spy Balloon!
- Thread starter neosapien
- Start date
$300 abortion vs $30000 per mo. prison cell and the cost to society as a whole to get to that place.
It's all connected.
Dorian2
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the clarification. I'm still unclear on the "participation" part though. Coming from a Canuck perspective from TV ads on Saturdays....
printer
Well-Known Member
I was probably in my peak performance about that time. Mind you, I was also the most inebriated.Thanks for the clarification. I'm still unclear on the "participation" part though. Coming from a Canuck perspective from TV ads on Saturdays....
You're pretty smart. You know i'm not. But I try to get people to think, same as you. I'm smart enough to do that.
Wife says, "you ain't gonna change nobody's mind". :sigh: And she's right. Which is why i need to stop using the interweb anymore.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It took me a while to realize that convincing people takes second place to putting my ideas and beliefs to test. It’s not comfy.
Grandpapy
Well-Known Member
but makes for lasting friendships.
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
I've learned as much or more about myself, as I have about any of you, in the time I've spent here.
Budzbuddha
Well-Known Member
China spy balloon: US Navy releases photos of debris
Hunt continues for the Main Payload with deep dive / ROV . Items retrieved so far will studied to reveal information on china’s surveillance
efforts.
Hunt continues for the Main Payload with deep dive / ROV . Items retrieved so far will studied to reveal information on china’s surveillance
efforts.
CunningCanuk
Well-Known Member
I wonder if you’ve reached the same conclusion we have?
were pretty far off a spy balloon
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
Every good community allows it's members to grow and flourish, it also moderates behaviors and thinking with good feed back. As for me, I've learned the most about myself sitting on my arse feeling my own breath.
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
i haven't reached any conclusions yet, the subject requires further study.I wonder if you’ve reached the same conclusion we have?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
to see where it might end up …
Spy balloon effort operates in Hainan province off China’s south coast and has for years collected information on military assets in several countries, officials said
The U.S. intelligence community has linked the Chinese spy balloon shot down on Saturday to a vast surveillance program run by the People’s Liberation Army, and U.S. officials have begun to brief allies and partners who have been similarly targeted.
The surveillance balloon effort, which has operated for several years partly out of Hainan province off China’s south coast, has collected information on military assets in countries and areas of emerging strategic interest to China including Japan, India, Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines, according to several U.S. officials, who, like others interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.
Officials have said these surveillance airships, operated in part by the PLA air force, have been spotted over five continents.
What the Chinese have done is taken an unbelievably old technology, and basically married it with modern communications and observation capabilities” to try to glean intelligence on other nations’ militaries, said one official. “It’s a massive effort.”
On Monday, Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman led a briefing on China’s balloon espionage for some 150 people from about 40 embassies, said a senior administration official familiar with the matter. The department has also sent to every U.S. Embassy “detailed information” on the espionage that can be shared with allies and partners.
Separately, U.S. officials have begun to share specifics with officials in countries such as Japan whose military facilities were targeted by Beijing.
“There has been great interest in this on the part of our allies and partners,” said a senior administration official.
Many of them recognize that they, too, may be vulnerable or susceptible to this or an object of interest to the PRC,” the official said, referring to the People’s Republic of China.
In Japan in 2020, an aerial orb drew speculation. “Some people thought this was a UFO,” said a Japanese official. “In hindsight people are realizing that was a Chinese espionage balloon. But at that time it was purely novel — nobody had seen this. … So there’s a lot of heightened attention at this time.”
While most of China’s long-range surveillance efforts are conducted by its expanding military satellite array, PLA planners have identified what they consider to be an opportunity to conduct surveillance from the upper atmosphere at altitudes above where commercial jets fly, using balloons that fly between 60,000 and 80,000 feet or higher, officials said.
Analysts still don’t know the size of the balloon fleet, but there have been “dozens” of missions since 2018, said one U.S. official. They take advantage of technology provided by a private Chinese company that is part of the country’s civil-military fusion effort — a program by which private companies develop technologies and capabilities used by the PLA.
In a news briefing Saturday, senior Pentagon officials alluded to the PLA program, noting that balloons had been operating elsewhere in the Western Hemisphere. “These balloons are all part of a PRC fleet of balloons developed to conduct surveillance operations, which also violated the sovereignty of other countries,” said one senior defense official.
The official flatly rejected China’s assertion that the airship moving over the United States was a weather balloon blown off course. “This is false,” the official said. “This was a PRC surveillance balloon. This surveillance balloon purposefully traversed the United States and Canada. And we are confident it was seeking to monitor sensitive military sites.”
Some commentators have made light of the Chinese effort, noting that balloons are not the most high-tech of platforms. But others caution against dismissing the balloons’ potential.
“For those who have a sanguine view about the actual intelligence collection capabilities of this balloon, I think they’re underestimating the creative ways the PLA might use it either for intelligence and surveillance purposes, or as a platform for weapons,” said Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), chairman of the Select Committee on China, who was commenting on public remarks made by Pentagon officials over the weekend.
In recent years, at least four balloons have been spotted over Hawaii, Florida, Texas and Guam — in addition to the one tracked last week. Three of the four instances took place during the Trump administration but were only recently identified as Chinese surveillance airships. Other balloons have been spotted in Latin America and allied countries in the Pacific, officials have said.
The U.S. intelligence community has linked the Chinese spy balloon shot down on Saturday to a vast surveillance program run by the People’s Liberation Army, and U.S. officials have begun to brief allies and partners who have been similarly targeted.
The surveillance balloon effort, which has operated for several years partly out of Hainan province off China’s south coast, has collected information on military assets in countries and areas of emerging strategic interest to China including Japan, India, Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines, according to several U.S. officials, who, like others interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.
Officials have said these surveillance airships, operated in part by the PLA air force, have been spotted over five continents.
What the Chinese have done is taken an unbelievably old technology, and basically married it with modern communications and observation capabilities” to try to glean intelligence on other nations’ militaries, said one official. “It’s a massive effort.”
On Monday, Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman led a briefing on China’s balloon espionage for some 150 people from about 40 embassies, said a senior administration official familiar with the matter. The department has also sent to every U.S. Embassy “detailed information” on the espionage that can be shared with allies and partners.
Separately, U.S. officials have begun to share specifics with officials in countries such as Japan whose military facilities were targeted by Beijing.
“There has been great interest in this on the part of our allies and partners,” said a senior administration official.
Many of them recognize that they, too, may be vulnerable or susceptible to this or an object of interest to the PRC,” the official said, referring to the People’s Republic of China.
In Japan in 2020, an aerial orb drew speculation. “Some people thought this was a UFO,” said a Japanese official. “In hindsight people are realizing that was a Chinese espionage balloon. But at that time it was purely novel — nobody had seen this. … So there’s a lot of heightened attention at this time.”
While most of China’s long-range surveillance efforts are conducted by its expanding military satellite array, PLA planners have identified what they consider to be an opportunity to conduct surveillance from the upper atmosphere at altitudes above where commercial jets fly, using balloons that fly between 60,000 and 80,000 feet or higher, officials said.
Analysts still don’t know the size of the balloon fleet, but there have been “dozens” of missions since 2018, said one U.S. official. They take advantage of technology provided by a private Chinese company that is part of the country’s civil-military fusion effort — a program by which private companies develop technologies and capabilities used by the PLA.
In a news briefing Saturday, senior Pentagon officials alluded to the PLA program, noting that balloons had been operating elsewhere in the Western Hemisphere. “These balloons are all part of a PRC fleet of balloons developed to conduct surveillance operations, which also violated the sovereignty of other countries,” said one senior defense official.
The official flatly rejected China’s assertion that the airship moving over the United States was a weather balloon blown off course. “This is false,” the official said. “This was a PRC surveillance balloon. This surveillance balloon purposefully traversed the United States and Canada. And we are confident it was seeking to monitor sensitive military sites.”
Some commentators have made light of the Chinese effort, noting that balloons are not the most high-tech of platforms. But others caution against dismissing the balloons’ potential.
“For those who have a sanguine view about the actual intelligence collection capabilities of this balloon, I think they’re underestimating the creative ways the PLA might use it either for intelligence and surveillance purposes, or as a platform for weapons,” said Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), chairman of the Select Committee on China, who was commenting on public remarks made by Pentagon officials over the weekend.
In recent years, at least four balloons have been spotted over Hawaii, Florida, Texas and Guam — in addition to the one tracked last week. Three of the four instances took place during the Trump administration but were only recently identified as Chinese surveillance airships. Other balloons have been spotted in Latin America and allied countries in the Pacific, officials have said.
Herb & Suds
Well-Known Member
HGCC
Well-Known Member
Well I can't come up with a solid reason to not be "well fuck yo balloon bitch." Don't see it as a real threat or anything at all related to the bizzaro shit from team red, but if a giant fucking balloon shows up we should check it out. Shoutout to the guy that pointed out it was silly for me to think we could just like...grab it or whatever.
I look at like somebody doing some weird shit at my fence line, I need to have a good understanding of what's going on within my defined border area. Once upon a time it was just the religious weirdos next door that hovered around my fence, so I played buttsex porn very very loudly till they left. However, I installed cameras as those weirdos were fuckin with shit, and it was my duty to know what was going
I look at like somebody doing some weird shit at my fence line, I need to have a good understanding of what's going on within my defined border area. Once upon a time it was just the religious weirdos next door that hovered around my fence, so I played buttsex porn very very loudly till they left. However, I installed cameras as those weirdos were fuckin with shit, and it was my duty to know what was going
Bruh you assuming those religious folks don't like anal, some of horniest females I've met were white sunday church going girls
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
If it ain't in space, as defined by international law, it's far game if it's in yer airspace. Now they will be looking for them, so don't expect to see any more over the USA, unless they want to recover the junk.
You missed your chance, there are some really excellent atheist arguments on YouTube you could have played for them, it would have been a bigger threat.
Hitchens - "Religion: A Celestial North Korea"