War
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I've been harping on this sad fact for a while now,the US is now a service based economy,our military stocks are geared for a relatively quick KO,what if the opponent gets back up before the count and w/ the tech. now involved in modern weaponry the WW2 quick pivot of heavy mfg to war production would be way more complex and time consuming.
The amount of loose talk in Russian media about nuking the US from News anchors,media personalities,current and retired military,and politicians is mind blowing. These people are so proud of the fact that their country can nuke the US that it seems they are actually hoping for it,NEWSFLASH there will be a lot coming back your way! Double down on your ignorance,a brutal war of aggression w/no regard for collateral damage or civilian casualties spun as a necessity to "protect" Russia from Nazi's and western moral decadence and throwing nukes at the US and western allies oblivious to the sure retaliation. I fear that all the sober minded have fled Russia already and any pragmatic Russian's left are being fed a steady diet of propagandized,nationalistic BS.
DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about numbers, Russia, Ukraine, and charts....
printer
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Just one view of things. I do not take all he says as gospel but think some parts are relevant. The Russians do have the thought of losing 100k not a big deal and if the attrition rate is 3:1 I think he is right that the Russian people will shrug it off. There not be enough anger to get the people to demand different from their leaders.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i think the Ukrainians can probably reach an 8 to 1 kill ratio with the way things are going...
russia sends outdated equipment to untrained soldiers, with no leadership worth mentioning, using an outdated table of organization. They are not allowed to adapt plans on the fly. They move 90% of their gear by rail, which then necessitates truck convoys into hot areas, from depots that are reachable by himars fire..They have very little medical field help, and have to transport their wounded back well behind their lines for treatment.
The Ukrainians have been well trained by the people donating equipment, trained in field maneuvers by some of the best soldiers in the world,
have a pretty secure staging area for the donations they receive daily, good medical help and nearby treatment facilities, good gear, expert advice and intelligence reports, and they're fighting for the lives of their families, themselves, and the freedom of their entire country...
And zeihan seems to take none of this into account, all he looks at is raw numbers, which does put russia at an advantage...one that hasn't helped them one bit in an entire year.
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Other than Randy Rainbow I stay away from media that uses the kind of marketing as in 'last chance' I feel the over compensation at lack of true content..kind of like men and trucks.
Roger A. Shrubber
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as far as i know zeihan isn't selling anything but himself, and his opinions.
He does make interesting points, but he seems very numbers oriented, and doesn't take many environmental variables into account in his calculations.
Sadly the thing that Russia has are citizens..like throwing spaghetti at the wall. If you kill all men and women of child bearing age?
Roger A. Shrubber
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then that would be a good thing...the problem that russia has been for the rest of the world since it was founded would finally be over...
Yeah but the numbers were busted by Beau. 50% of Russian hardware is not working or obsolete..do his numbers reflect this? Nope.
Roger A. Shrubber
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Well that's all the situation needed...a hypocritical, dickfaced republican fascist fuck to have an opinion about it...
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/ron-desantis-supported-ukraine-russia-kfile/index.html
what the fuck ever desantis wants, i oppose...it's been a safe bet so far.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/ron-desantis-supported-ukraine-russia-kfile/index.html
what the fuck ever desantis wants, i oppose...it's been a safe bet so far.
We had four years of a fuck up that tried to dismantle our country..Trump has had his little tiny fingers in every thing. Just a continuation for the next 20 years we will be finding.
Our country's secrets flushed down the toilet, sitting in a land fill somewhere.
Roger A. Shrubber
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If Zelensky is good with negotiating, then that's up to him, but the chinese are the only people i know i would trust even less than the russians to negotiate in good faith.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/26/biden-russia-china-ukraine-muir-00084452
I would be deeply disappointed if Zelensky took any negotiations seriously that ceded ANY Ukrainian territory to russia.
As a matter of fact, since they and we seem to be committed to our present course of bleeding the russians even whiter than they already are, i would be disappointed if Zelensky took any other course. The only acceptable alternative, to me, would be for NATO to get the fuck off of it's office chair spread ass and put an end to the russian murder spree.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/26/biden-russia-china-ukraine-muir-00084452
I would be deeply disappointed if Zelensky took any negotiations seriously that ceded ANY Ukrainian territory to russia.
As a matter of fact, since they and we seem to be committed to our present course of bleeding the russians even whiter than they already are, i would be disappointed if Zelensky took any other course. The only acceptable alternative, to me, would be for NATO to get the fuck off of it's office chair spread ass and put an end to the russian murder spree.
nuke war
DIY-HP-LED
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They are but are a bit more patient and systematic than the Russians, who are dying in large numbers, a lot more than in a 3:1 ratio it would appear. The rains have started as predicted by the long range weather forecasts and mud season has begun. Something general Hodges mentioned, and I noticed myself, they are holding the defensive positions in the east with older territorial troops for the most part, younger guys are seldom seen in the videos from the front. Young guys are the ones who can stay up for a week straight on an offensive drive and they will be manning much of the new equipment coming into Ukraine, older guys in defensive positions don't need to move much and can make themselves more comfortable at the front in bunkers when they sleep. Those young guys are also gonna be commanded by a lot of experienced NCOs and officers, unlike the Russians, a lot of their experienced troops are still around to pass on that experience.
If the Ukrainians whip the Russians on their own with our arms, it will inspire confidence in them and fear in the Russians. By getting Vlad to commit his whole army and then some to Ukraine and digging himself in, they are in a position to be wiped out as a fighting force and the threat will be removed from Ukraine and Europe for at least a decade or more. If the kill ratio were anywhere close to even, I'd say it was a war of attrition, but from all reports it is turning into a war of annihilation for the Russian army with plenty of Russians dying compared to the number of Ukrainian troops lost. Once burned by the red-hot stove they will be reluctant to lean on it again with the remaining stump.
cannabineer
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quite aside from that, Russia has been staying (sometimes barely) short of offering enough provocation to make a good case for Nato action.
DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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How many of these does Russia have, and can they replace it? Their capabilities are being degraded at all levels.