The Junk Drawer

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I've been doing that shit trying to find a good 1:1 plant for almost two decades but finally decided it's a fool's errand. I got some 30:1 seeds that someone else sent to a lab for testing and it comes out at 20%+ CBD and 0.5 - 0.8% THC. Once I grow it out and turn it into oil I will send some to a lab in Vancouver that charges $60 for a potency test so I'll know exactly what I have. I also have a buttload of regular pot of various strains saved up to make into oil that I'll have tested at the same time so I can use both to mix at whatever levels I want for making edibles or just putting into caps for medicinal use. I have a bunch of pot from some of earlier 2:1 etc CBD blends that I'm going to make into oil for now as it helps a lot with my arthritis and I haven't been doing any for a month or so since the last batch ran out.

Making oil with organic solvents carries a max penalty of 14 years here in Canada since they 'legalized' pot but the guy at the lab says the cops aren't asking for info on samples they get so no problem sending in oil samples for testing. I was worried about that.

"What remains illegal?

Possession, production, distribution and sale outside the legal system remains illegal and subject to criminal penalties proportionate to the seriousness of the offence, ranging from ticketing up to a maximum penalty of 14 years’ imprisonment."

The Cannabis Act: The Facts - Canada.ca

On October 17, 2018, the Cannabis Act came into force, legalizing, strictly regulating and restricting access to cannabis in Canada. The Act implements a new comprehensive public health approach that will be more effective in protecting youth and keeping profits out of the pockets of criminals...

www.canada.ca

But if you have your grow certificate you can (for your own use).

 

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They don't make them like this anymore. Both of them.
Former first lady Rosalynn Carter dies at 96
Former first lady Rosalynn Carter, wife of former President Carter, died Sunday afternoon. She was 96.

The Carter Center said in a statement that the former first lady passed away just after 2 p.m. Sunday at her home in Plains, Ga., about two days after she entered hospice care.

“Rosalynn was my equal partner in everything I ever accomplished,” President Carter said in a statement. “She gave me wise guidance and encouragement when I needed it. As long as Rosalynn was in the world, I always knew somebody loved and supported me.”

The Carters marked their 77th wedding anniversary in July. As of 2021, their marriage became the longest for a first couple in U.S. history, surpassing former President George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush’s 73 years of marriage.

Rosalynn Carter was a longtime advocate for mental health issues. She was diagnosed with dementia in March, which the center said the family was hoping to help destigmatize.

“Besides being a loving mother and extraordinary First Lady, my mother was a great humanitarian in her own right,” Chip Carter, her son, said in a statement. “Her life of service and compassion was an example for all Americans. She will be sorely missed not only by our family but by the many people who have better mental health care and access to resources for caregiving today.”

Her husband celebrated his 99th birthday last month after entering hospice care himself in February. Carter is the oldest former living president in U.S. history.

She is survived by her four children, 11 grandchildren and 14 great-grandchildren, the center noted. Information about memorials and funeral services will be made available as soon as possible, the center said.

Former first lady Rosalynn Carter dies at 96

Former first lady Rosalynn Carter, wife of former President Carter, died Sunday afternoon. She was 96. The Carter Center said in a statement that the former first lady passed away just after 2 p.m.…

thehill.com

 

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They don't make them like this anymore. Both of them.
Former first lady Rosalynn Carter dies at 96
Former first lady Rosalynn Carter, wife of former President Carter, died Sunday afternoon. She was 96.

The Carter Center said in a statement that the former first lady passed away just after 2 p.m. Sunday at her home in Plains, Ga., about two days after she entered hospice care.

“Rosalynn was my equal partner in everything I ever accomplished,” President Carter said in a statement. “She gave me wise guidance and encouragement when I needed it. As long as Rosalynn was in the world, I always knew somebody loved and supported me.”

The Carters marked their 77th wedding anniversary in July. As of 2021, their marriage became the longest for a first couple in U.S. history, surpassing former President George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush’s 73 years of marriage.

Rosalynn Carter was a longtime advocate for mental health issues. She was diagnosed with dementia in March, which the center said the family was hoping to help destigmatize.

“Besides being a loving mother and extraordinary First Lady, my mother was a great humanitarian in her own right,” Chip Carter, her son, said in a statement. “Her life of service and compassion was an example for all Americans. She will be sorely missed not only by our family but by the many people who have better mental health care and access to resources for caregiving today.”

Her husband celebrated his 99th birthday last month after entering hospice care himself in February. Carter is the oldest former living president in U.S. history.

She is survived by her four children, 11 grandchildren and 14 great-grandchildren, the center noted. Information about memorials and funeral services will be made available as soon as possible, the center said.

Former first lady Rosalynn Carter dies at 96

Former first lady Rosalynn Carter, wife of former President Carter, died Sunday afternoon. She was 96. The Carter Center said in a statement that the former first lady passed away just after 2 p.m.…

thehill.com

I would expect Jimmy to pass very soon. It happens frequently when couples have been married a long time and they are at that stage anyway. All meaning for living is gone. I'm sad.

 

[OldMedUser]

Seriously, Royal Queen Seeds has some beautiful 1:1 CBD/THC phenotypes in their Dance World line. It’s my favorite high CBD variety ever. Look for the short plants that smells like lime rinds.
I had access to the cut of Cannatonic that won the Cannabis Cup and my cut of Dance World put it to shame.

I’m not sure about what qualifies as a “solvent” in Canada. Here in California, I can put a bottle of 151 proof rum, an ounce of weed, into my Magical Butter Machine, and make a week’s worth of tincture in eight hours.
The Magical Butter Machine is the absolute best device on the market for those wanting to make edibles or tinctures.

Organic solvents covers pretty much anything we use to make such things. Ethanol, isopropanol, naphtha etc are all organic solvents. It would likely be OK to use something like a Magic Butter machine as you are producing a tincture and not distilling or evaporating all the solvent off to produce something like RSO.

This law was made more severe mainly to stop the idiots from blowing up apartments or houses making BHO but like usual the gov't in their infinite wisdom just lumped all oil making into it. It's always been illegal here to make your own moonshine but unless you're cranking out lots and selling it nobody's busting down your door to arrest you for it. The only way you're going to get in trouble is if you blow up your still and get caught for that.

I'll be doing the bulk of my oil using ISO but for some I'll be using naphtha or even butane. I've finally acquired all the glassware I need to do fractional and vacuum distillations but have a 4L countertop still and a 12L pot still for bulk extractions. I also have training in using this kind of stuff with even more training working as a chemist in a hazardous waste disposal facility so I'm not just your average stoner fumbling around being a danger to himself and others. Plus I own my own home on an acreage so if I do majorly screw up no one else is going to get hurt.

We can buy EverClear here at the local vendors so don't have to use stuff like 151 proof rum tho for a tincture it should impart a nice flavour. For home use a small countertop still could be used to make your own strong alcohol and even recover it for further use if making stuff like RSO or cooking the tincture down to concentrate it while getting the alcohol back for future use.

 

[OldMedUser]

But if you have your grow certificate you can (for your own use).

I'm not sure what your point is there but grow certificate or not using organic solvents is still prohibited. That page doesn't mention any exemptions for medpot growers but is explicit that it's verboten for regular growers.

"make legal cannabis-containing products at home, such as food and drinks, provided that dangerous organic solvents are not used in making them."

With ethanol being one of those dangerous organic solvents I'm not sure how the law pertains to making things like tinctures. I wonder if there's been any charges laid for something like that.

I'll check into it further but I'd gone through all the new laws when it first happened and was appalled at some of the draconian changes especially about supplying pot to a minor having up to 14 years in jail as a max penalty. Give a kid booze and you get a $50 fine for first offence but if a 19yo hands his 18yo buddy a joint he can face up to 14 years is just stupid. I know he wouldn't get that but still just having it on the books like that is nonsense. Here in Alberta the legal age for booze or pot is 18 so it would be an 18yo handing a 17yo buddy a joint in the above scenario.

I consider alcohol a much more dangerous drug than pot so the excessive penalty for pot makes no sense to me. If you are an older adult recruiting kids to sell your booze, pot or other drugs then I hope your ass rots in jail.

 

[OldMedUser]

I would expect Jimmy to pass very soon. It happens frequently when couples have been married a long time and they are at that stage anyway. All meaning for living is gone. I'm sad.

The old couple I bought this place from died like that within two years of the sale. She went first and he about 6 months later. Both in their late 80s.

My mom turned 96 in Aug and is still motoring along tho blind now. Still worked a small garden patch at a local grow-yer-own place not far from where she lives in Chilliwack, BC with my sister this last summer but says she probably won't next year. Her world keeps shrinking and she's not at all happy about it.

 

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The old couple I bought this place from died like that within two years of the sale. She went first and he about 6 months later. Both in their late 80s.

My mom turned 96 in Aug and is still motoring along tho blind now. Still worked a small garden patch at a local grow-yer-own place not far from where she lives in Chilliwack, BC with my sister this last summer but says she probably won't next year. Her world keeps shrinking and she's not at all happy about it.

My best friend's mother died late last year at 89. His dad died 130 days later. Sadly, all three of their children died before them, my best friend didn't make it to 25. Fuck. I cry often now. The consequence of outliving those you love.

 

[cannabineer]

I would expect Jimmy to pass very soon. It happens frequently when couples have been married a long time and they are at that stage anyway. All meaning for living is gone. I'm sad.

On the other hand, Jimmy is (most uncharacteristically for former Presidents) engaged in seriously rewarding charity work. I’d wager he can feel his wife’s spirit cheering him on in this world.

 

[OldMedUser]

My best friend's mother died late last year at 89. His dad died 130 days later. Sadly, all three of their children died before them, my best friend didn't make it to 25. Fuck. I cry often now. The consequence of outliving those you love.

That part of getting older sucks more than most parts. So far two of my best friends from childhood have passed and it's hard to think that they are gone.

My oldest little sister passed in March 2020 from ovarian cancer and my mom is still hurting pretty bad. Her and I didn't get along that great but I still loved her and think of her often. I couldn't even go out to see her due to Covid restrictions but we had a few good talks on the phone. Mom says she'll be really pissed off if I or my other sister go before her.

Getting old can suck but the alternative kinda sucks too.

 

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I'm not sure what your point is there but grow certificate or not using organic solvents is still prohibited. That page doesn't mention any exemptions for medpot growers but is explicit that it's verboten for regular growers.

"make legal cannabis-containing products at home, such as food and drinks, provided that dangerous organic solvents are not used in making them."

With ethanol being one of those dangerous organic solvents I'm not sure how the law pertains to making things like tinctures. I wonder if there's been any charges laid for something like that.

I'll check into it further but I'd gone through all the new laws when it first happened and was appalled at some of the draconian changes especially about supplying pot to a minor having up to 14 years in jail as a max penalty. Give a kid booze and you get a $50 fine for first offence but if a 19yo hands his 18yo buddy a joint he can face up to 14 years is just stupid. I know he wouldn't get that but still just having it on the books like that is nonsense. Here in Alberta the legal age for booze or pot is 18 so it would be an 18yo handing a 17yo buddy a joint in the above scenario.

I consider alcohol a much more dangerous drug than pot so the excessive penalty for pot makes no sense to me. If you are an older adult recruiting kids to sell your booze, pot or other drugs then I hope your ass rots in jail.

But is ethanol one of those dangerous organic solvent or is methanol? What are the non-dangerous organic solvents? Are the non-organic solvents safer? Like butane? A dangerous to the consumer of the product or in the production of the product. I looked for more concrete information but have not found it yet. Wait, forgot about this one. Funny how all the limits are the same.

Limits for Residual Solvents in Cannabis Products - Canada.ca

Limits for residual solvents in cannabis products.

www.canada.ca

Found a 2016 doc that says the following,
Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations
Solvents
68 (1) Cannabis oil must not contain residues of solvents other than Class 3 solvents listed in the Guidance Document — Impurities: Guideline for Residual Solvents, ICH Topic Q3C(R5), published by the Department of Health, as amended from time to time.

Residue limit
(2) Those residues must not exceed the limits established under that document.

Canada Gazette – Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations

August 24, 2016, Part 2, Volume 150, Number 17, Canada Gazette

gazette.gc.ca

LIMITS OF RESIDUAL SOLVENTS
Class 3 residual solvents (Table 3) may be regarded as less toxic
and of lower risk to human health than Class 1 and Class 2 residual
solvents. Class 3 includes no solvent known as a human health
hazard at levels normally accepted in pharmaceuticals. However,
there are no long-term toxicity or carcinogenicity studies for many of
the residual solvents in Class 3. Available data indicate that they are
less toxic in acute or short-term studies and negative in genotoxicity
studies.
Unless otherwise stated in the individual monograph, Class
3 residual solvents are limited to not more than 50 mg per day
(corresponding to 5000 ppm or 0.5% under Option 1). If a Class
3 solvent limit in an individual monograph is greater than 50 mg per
day, that residual solvent should be identified and quantified. The
procedures described in the Identification, Control, and Quantifica-
tion of Residual Solvents section of this General Chapter, with
appropriate modifications to the standard solutions, are to be applied
wherever possible. Otherwise an appropriate validated procedure is
to be employed. Such procedure shall be submitted to the USP for
evaluation. USP Reference Standards, where available, should be
used in these procedures.
Table 3. Class 3 Residual Solvents
(limited by GMP or other quality-based requirements in drug
substances, excipients, and drug products)
Acetic acid
Acetone
Anisole
1-Butanol
2-Butanol
Butyl acetate
tert-Butylmethyl ether
Cumene
Dimethyl sulfoxide
Ethanol
Ethyl acetate
Ethyl ether
Ethyl formate
Formic acid
Heptane
Isobutyl acetate
Isopropyl acetate
Methyl acetate
3-Methyl-1-butanol
Methylethylketone
Methylisobutylketone
2-Methyl-l-propanol
Pentane
1-Pentanol
1-Propanol
2-Propanol
Propyl acetate

https://www.uspnf.com/sites/default/files/usp_pdf/EN/USPNF/generalChapter467Current.pdf

Solvents

• 68 (1) Cannabis oil must not contain residues of solvents other than Class 3 solvents listed in the Guidance Document — Impurities: Guideline for Residual Solvents, ICH Topic Q3C(R5), published by the Department of Health, as amended from time to time.

ARCHIVED - Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations

Federal laws of Canada

laws.justice.gc.ca

68 [Repealed, SOR/2018-147, s. 33]

ARCHIVED - Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations

Federal laws of Canada

laws.justice.gc.ca

Another few.

2016, many changes since, interesting they mentioned butane back then.

Another notable change from the former MMAR is that registered persons, as well as designated persons, will have the ability to alter the dried marijuana they harvest into other products, such as oils. In doing so, individuals are prohibited from using organic solvents (e.g., butane), given the health and safety risks posed by use of these products.

The inclusion of provisions enabling the production of products reflects the June 2015 decision in R. v. Smith. It should also be noted that registered clients of licensed producers also have this same ability to alter dried or fresh marijuana or cannabis oil into other products.

Understanding the Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations - Canada.ca

Understanding Canada’s regulations on Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes. Health Canada's role and what the regulations mean for everyone.

www.canada.ca

Ontario, 2018.

At this time, cannabis edible products and concentrates will not be permitted to be sold in Canada. The Federal government has stated that the sale of these products will be available approximately one year after the Cannabis Act comes into force.2 On October 17, 2018, individuals wishing to make their own cannabis edibles and other products for personal use will be permitted to do so, provided the use of dangerous solvents is not involved.

Sept 2018 BOH - Cannabis Legalization Update Report (BH.01.SEP0518.R26)

To: Chair and members of the Board of Health Meeting date: September 5, 2018 Report no.: BH.01.SEP0518.R26 Prepared by: Kyley Alderson, Health Promotion Specialist, Health Communities and Public Policy; Patty Montague, Health Promotion Specialist, Health Protection; Tori Walters, Public Health...

wdgpublichealth.ca

BC- Mission 2018

3.8 Use of Organic Solvents for Making Cannabis Concentrates
It is well known that individuals who grow their own cannabis also manufacture their own oils and
other products, such as shatter, using highly flammable organic solvents such as butane. Using
organic solvents to alter the chemical or physical properties of cannabis is prohibited by the Act
unless authorized by the Act. There have been several examples where explosions and fires have
started as a result of careless use of these solvents. While the District’s Zoning Bylaw prohibits the
sale, storage, or distribution of butane in quantities greater than 453 grams (16 ounces) in all
zones, changes to the Zoning Bylaw will prohibit the making of cannabis concentrates using
organic solvents throughout Mission unless authorized by the federal government.

https://www.mission.ca/wp-content/uploads/Cannabis-Regulation-Discussion-Paper-May-7-2018.pdf

 

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The bad things happen when it is lit. Luckily, I don't need it for pain relief yet, but I'm sure I get the other benefits.
edit; what is a 1:1 plant?
edit2: Okay, I found out, but without a lab, how would I find such a strain? I don't want hearsay. I've been trying various brands for pinapple taste Cinderella 99 for years and haven't found it. Same for bubblegum. By chance, I grew bubblegum from Columbian bag seed in 1986 and haven't found it since.

Going to have to partake a little more than usual, missed my 2 pm dose of pills. Took a picture, should have shown the screen size to get a sense of scale.

 

[OldMedUser]

But is ethanol one of those dangerous organic solvent or is methanol? What are the non-dangerous organic solvents? Are the non-organic solvents safer? Like butane? A dangerous to the consumer of the product or in the production of the product. I looked for more concrete information but have not found it yet. Wait, forgot about this one. Funny how all the limits are the same.

Limits for Residual Solvents in Cannabis Products - Canada.ca

Limits for residual solvents in cannabis products.

www.canada.ca

Found a 2016 doc that says the following,
Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations
Solvents
68 (1) Cannabis oil must not contain residues of solvents other than Class 3 solvents listed in the Guidance Document — Impurities: Guideline for Residual Solvents, ICH Topic Q3C(R5), published by the Department of Health, as amended from time to time.

Residue limit
(2) Those residues must not exceed the limits established under that document.

Canada Gazette – Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations

August 24, 2016, Part 2, Volume 150, Number 17, Canada Gazette

gazette.gc.ca

LIMITS OF RESIDUAL SOLVENTS
Class 3 residual solvents (Table 3) may be regarded as less toxic
and of lower risk to human health than Class 1 and Class 2 residual
solvents. Class 3 includes no solvent known as a human health
hazard at levels normally accepted in pharmaceuticals. However,
there are no long-term toxicity or carcinogenicity studies for many of
the residual solvents in Class 3. Available data indicate that they are
less toxic in acute or short-term studies and negative in genotoxicity
studies.
Unless otherwise stated in the individual monograph, Class
3 residual solvents are limited to not more than 50 mg per day
(corresponding to 5000 ppm or 0.5% under Option 1). If a Class
3 solvent limit in an individual monograph is greater than 50 mg per
day, that residual solvent should be identified and quantified. The
procedures described in the Identification, Control, and Quantifica-
tion of Residual Solvents section of this General Chapter, with
appropriate modifications to the standard solutions, are to be applied
wherever possible. Otherwise an appropriate validated procedure is
to be employed. Such procedure shall be submitted to the USP for
evaluation. USP Reference Standards, where available, should be
used in these procedures.
Table 3. Class 3 Residual Solvents
(limited by GMP or other quality-based requirements in drug
substances, excipients, and drug products)
Acetic acid
Acetone
Anisole
1-Butanol
2-Butanol
Butyl acetate
tert-Butylmethyl ether
Cumene
Dimethyl sulfoxide
Ethanol
Ethyl acetate
Ethyl ether
Ethyl formate
Formic acid
Heptane
Isobutyl acetate
Isopropyl acetate
Methyl acetate
3-Methyl-1-butanol
Methylethylketone
Methylisobutylketone
2-Methyl-l-propanol
Pentane
1-Pentanol
1-Propanol
2-Propanol
Propyl acetate

https://www.uspnf.com/sites/default/files/usp_pdf/EN/USPNF/generalChapter467Current.pdf

Solvents

• 68 (1) Cannabis oil must not contain residues of solvents other than Class 3 solvents listed in the Guidance Document — Impurities: Guideline for Residual Solvents, ICH Topic Q3C(R5), published by the Department of Health, as amended from time to time.

ARCHIVED - Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations

Federal laws of Canada

laws.justice.gc.ca

68 [Repealed, SOR/2018-147, s. 33]

ARCHIVED - Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations

Federal laws of Canada

laws.justice.gc.ca

Another few.

2016, many changes since, interesting they mentioned butane back then.

Another notable change from the former MMAR is that registered persons, as well as designated persons, will have the ability to alter the dried marijuana they harvest into other products, such as oils. In doing so, individuals are prohibited from using organic solvents (e.g., butane), given the health and safety risks posed by use of these products.

The inclusion of provisions enabling the production of products reflects the June 2015 decision in R. v. Smith. It should also be noted that registered clients of licensed producers also have this same ability to alter dried or fresh marijuana or cannabis oil into other products.

Understanding the Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations - Canada.ca

Understanding Canada’s regulations on Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes. Health Canada's role and what the regulations mean for everyone.

www.canada.ca

Ontario, 2018.

At this time, cannabis edible products and concentrates will not be permitted to be sold in Canada. The Federal government has stated that the sale of these products will be available approximately one year after the Cannabis Act comes into force.2 On October 17, 2018, individuals wishing to make their own cannabis edibles and other products for personal use will be permitted to do so, provided the use of dangerous solvents is not involved.

Sept 2018 BOH - Cannabis Legalization Update Report (BH.01.SEP0518.R26)

To: Chair and members of the Board of Health Meeting date: September 5, 2018 Report no.: BH.01.SEP0518.R26 Prepared by: Kyley Alderson, Health Promotion Specialist, Health Communities and Public Policy; Patty Montague, Health Promotion Specialist, Health Protection; Tori Walters, Public Health...

wdgpublichealth.ca

BC- Mission 2018

3.8 Use of Organic Solvents for Making Cannabis Concentrates
It is well known that individuals who grow their own cannabis also manufacture their own oils and
other products, such as shatter, using highly flammable organic solvents such as butane. Using
organic solvents to alter the chemical or physical properties of cannabis is prohibited by the Act
unless authorized by the Act. There have been several examples where explosions and fires have
started as a result of careless use of these solvents. While the District’s Zoning Bylaw prohibits the
sale, storage, or distribution of butane in quantities greater than 453 grams (16 ounces) in all
zones, changes to the Zoning Bylaw will prohibit the making of cannabis concentrates using
organic solvents throughout Mission unless authorized by the federal government.

https://www.mission.ca/wp-content/uploads/Cannabis-Regulation-Discussion-Paper-May-7-2018.pdf

All that is fine and good but no where does it state that your average grower is allowed to use those solvents. that's still a no-no unless you have the correct certification to be doing extracts. That's all for commercial producers.

I was thinking a few years ago about starting a small sampling lab but the money needed was way out of my reach. I'd need to be certified or hire someone who is plus all the testing equipment, basic lab gear etc etc.

Any samples I send in won't be getting tested for residual solvents unless they do that as part of the test but I'm pretty sure you have to request it.

I'm figuring to set up a grow tent as my sealed unit to do my work. I'll rig up a simple fume hood so I don't have to shave off my beard to wear a filter mask tho I do have a couple if needed.

 

[topcat]

There's a Your CBD Store in my town. I buy the tincture for one of my cats. It seems to relieve her dermatitis.

 

[printer]

All that is fine and good but no where does it state that your average grower is allowed to use those solvents. that's still a no-no unless you have the correct certification to be doing extracts. That's all for commercial producers.

I was thinking a few years ago about starting a small sampling lab but the money needed was way out of my reach. I'd need to be certified or hire someone who is plus all the testing equipment, basic lab gear etc etc.

Any samples I send in won't be getting tested for residual solvents unless they do that as part of the test but I'm pretty sure you have to request it.

I'm figuring to set up a grow tent as my sealed unit to do my work. I'll rig up a simple fume hood so I don't have to shave off my beard to wear a filter mask tho I do have a couple if needed.

I tried to find all I could but that is it that was coming up. Guess I will have to email someone and ask what is allowed.

 

[cannabineer]

not sure of the intended message

though something comes to mind

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

not sure of the intended message

though something comes to mind

View attachment 5345366

Pi in the sky if ya ask me...

 

[cannabineer]

Pi in the sky if ya ask me...

Lol I sent just that to some others!

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

 

[DIY-HP-LED]